Jail Sentence for Theo Bos?
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I just watched the video and granted - I can only see the grab and pull at the bottom of my screen.
But - for whatever reason, he definitely had his hands on Impey. If it was meant to be a PUSH, then he wouldn't be HOLDING the jersey.
I agree that it's unlikely that he meant to pull him across his own path - that would be even dumber than trying to pull down a rider full stop.
But the WAY Impey goes flying, with Bos's hand on him all the way - makes it look like Bos hurled him.
Not really adding much here - except to say I would vote on it be ing deliberate and not just done because Bos was about to fall.
I'm surprised no other riders that were RIGHT THERE have said anything one way or the other?0 -
Makes it look like Bos hurled him - yes - it looks that way - but I just dont think its physically possible.
Try it on the next club run ! ;-)0 -
If you're sprinting next to someone else and you get off the power and grab them, they're not going your way, you're going theirs. If Bos had grabbed Impey and pulled, Bos would've ended up in Impey's front wheel or something. If Bos can take a guy on the power while he's not and hurl the guy over himself, he should be on those strong men contests.
Looking at the chopper shot, it totally looks like Bos hurled him, but that's not physically possible, so it has to be something else. Don't always believe your eyes.0 -
Still disagreecougie wrote:Makes it look like Bos hurled him - yes - it looks that way - but I just dont think its physically possible.
Try it on the next club run ! ;-)
He clearly rides through on inside (not sure why as he was not going to get a line through tthere) then when alongside definately grabs the shirt (no push at all and at this point still upright and going straight) and pulls him left.
Actually it does not take a huge amount of strengthto hurl someone like that as they are moving forward fast so a pull to the left is all is need to shift the bike. Look at the maddison and see the acceleration they get from that.
If you do a maddison change and your the rider being slung in you get that feeling of being pulled off the track to the left and you have to compensate for that to straighten up.
Bos is a hot head so it was probably down to adrenalin and stupidity
As for the placing, Impey was just following his team mate to stay within front 5 as the Italian was only a second behind with time bonusses on offer so had to be vigilant so he was riding well IMHO
Bas may be experienced on track but not the road and probably forgot there was no cote d azur to sling him onto but raillings
Out of all the riders on our regular ride, not one of them thinks it was accident or slight push, or a grab of desperation whilst falling 0 -
oldwelshman wrote:
Actually it does not take a huge amount of strengthto hurl someone like that as they are moving forward fast so a pull to the left is all is need to shift the bike. Look at the maddison and see the acceleration they get from that.
Personally I've never seen a madison rider hand sling somebody clean off the saddle in a different drection to that of the bike. "it does not take a huge amount of strengthto hurl someone like that" is a staggering statement as I know that I couldnt even get close to doing that, even from standing with both of my feet on the floor. Picking a guy up and throwing him that hard by the jersey with just one hand would take an immense amount of strength.Take care,
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Roid rage0
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We need to get Mythbusters to recreate this for us...
That'll settle it.
Buster can play Impey.0 -
Steve Tcp wrote:oldwelshman wrote:
Actually it does not take a huge amount of strengthto hurl someone like that as they are moving forward fast so a pull to the left is all is need to shift the bike. Look at the maddison and see the acceleration they get from that.
Personally I've never seen a madison rider hand sling somebody clean off the saddle in a different drection to that of the bike. "it does not take a huge amount of strengthto hurl someone like that" is a staggering statement as I know that I couldnt even get close to doing that, even from standing with both of my feet on the floor. Picking a guy up and throwing him that hard by the jersey with just one hand would take an immense amount of strength.
Well, for a start the maddison riders know what they are doing and are expecting to be pulled so when they get the sling the receiving rider is being slung with left hand and right hand on bar. You feel as if your being pulled off the track but you compensate by turning the bar right.
It does not take a huge amount to pull someone to the left to change direction especially at 30mph, if you do not believe me try it. He is not trying to lift him off the bike, just pull him to left. It was a knee jerk reaction, or probably jerk.
Cougie, good idea with myth busters I volunteer to be Bos to do the pull. 0 -
oldwelshman wrote:Steve Tcp wrote:oldwelshman wrote:
Actually it does not take a huge amount of strengthto hurl someone like that as they are moving forward fast so a pull to the left is all is need to shift the bike. Look at the maddison and see the acceleration they get from that.
Personally I've never seen a madison rider hand sling somebody clean off the saddle in a different drection to that of the bike. "it does not take a huge amount of strengthto hurl someone like that" is a staggering statement as I know that I couldnt even get close to doing that, even from standing with both of my feet on the floor. Picking a guy up and throwing him that hard by the jersey with just one hand would take an immense amount of strength.
Well, for a start the maddison riders know what they are doing and are expecting to be pulled so when they get the sling the receiving rider is being slung with left hand and right hand on bar. You feel as if your being pulled off the track but you compensate by turning the bar right.
It does not take a huge amount to pull someone to the left to change direction especially at 30mph, if you do not believe me try it. He is not trying to lift him off the bike, just pull him to left. It was a knee jerk reaction, or probably jerk.
Cougie, good idea with myth busters I volunteer to be Bos to do the pull.
I agree on the idea that it doesn't take much force to move a body in motion to either side.
Judo, Wrestling, Tai Chi, and the like are all predicated on the idea that if someone is coming at you it is much easier to deflect, push, or pull them sideways than going at them head on. If a cyclist comes by you, it's a piece of cake, and requires little more than a finger push, to knock them sideways and possibly down.
A person walking by you can easily be pushed sideways. This is a martial arts principle that all beginners learn.
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Well, we'll have to agree to disagree chaps, not least because I don't think there's much new ground to trad in this thread now. However, it's an impressive 720 degree spin that Bos causes Impey to do and that takes a lot more than a little push or pull imo.Take care,
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What I don't understand is if you're in fear of going into the back of someone in a close bunch, you surely go for a feather on the brakes to slow to their speed and try to blend in to the speed of those riders you're in danger of going into. Bos, on the other hand, ignores his brakes and instead grabs another riders' jersey and (he claims) tries to sling him out of the way. This just makes no sense. The initial reaction "This is unlike anything I've ever seen before" remains the strongest one, and leaves me with a strong impression that there's something more sinister than a racing accident being seen here.
Why has there never been another "racing incident" like this in the history of televised cycling? would be my question to Theophilis P Wildebeest.0 -
chriskempton wrote:What I don't understand is if you're in fear of going into the back of someone in a close bunch, you surely go for a feather on the brakes to slow to their speed and try to blend in to the speed of those riders you're in danger of going into. Bos, on the other hand, ignores his brakes and instead grabs another riders' jersey and (he claims) tries to sling him out of the way. This just makes no sense. The initial reaction "This is unlike anything I've ever seen before" remains the strongest one, and leaves me with a strong impression that there's something more sinister than a racing accident being seen here.
Why has there never been another "racing incident" like this in the history of televised cycling? would be my question to Theophilis P Wildebeest.
That's my main issue too. If Bos claims that he was falling and his instinct was to reach out, why has it never happened before?! Riders get squeezed and crash in similar situations all the time. I've never seen anyone grab the rider next to them and pull him down too.
I still don't buy the idea that Bos was being pushed onto the barriers. He only starts to go down after he grabs Impey, who was riding in a straight line at a steady speed.0 -
Can someone explain to me - if Bos didn't pull him off - then why do we ALL see Bos's hands on Impey's jersey, and then Impey flying through the air?
If Bos didn't pull him off - how did Impey go flying!?
Any (plausible) theories?
(And I've done Madison training at the Velodrome - and it's scary. If you're not ready and pulling the other way when your partner grabs you - you DO go flying.)0 -
This beats a good lance thread any day !
A touch of brakes in a bunch sprint is a nono - do that and you will be run down from behind.
As to the pull - bos is holding onto impey - as bos' bike gets slowed - impey is spun across him. Simple !0 -
After about 40 views of the clip, heres my take: - Just before they hit the deck, Bos' hand is up near Impeys left shoulder when he pulls his jersey. Bos appears to start slowing dramatically in comparison with the other riders and because he is either pulling (or just plain hanging) on Impeys jersey, Impeys left arm is tugged, the bars turn left and the front wheel catches on the barrier foot, spinning him around. It doesn't take a huge amount of strength to redirect a rider,
Why he had his hand on Impeys jersey in the first place is a different matter. At the very least, bos should be sanctioned for that.
While rare these days, its not exactly unprecedented. I've seen a rider forced into barriers in a crit over here and drag his assailant down with him. I also seem to recall that in the "good old days" it wasn't unknown for riders to lean on each other, bump each others handlebars with their hips, hook the crook of other riders elbows and fling bidons at each other. Sprinting up to the early 90s wasn't quite the gentlemans drag race its become now.'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'0 -
cougie wrote:This beats a good lance thread any day !
A touch of brakes in a bunch sprint is a nono - do that and you will be run down from behind.
As to the pull - bos is holding onto impey - as bos' bike gets slowed - impey is spun across him. Simple !
Of course it's a nono, but in the crisis situation Theo describes, it's surely a better thing to do than what he did. He would have created problems for people behind, but there's a fair chance none of them would have been slung face first into the barriers. Of course Bos would say that he couldn't foresee the eventual outcome, but of course that's what he would say.
Maybe Lance's dark hand was on Theo's shoulder the night before. Classic media diversion tactics....
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Wouldn't want to ride .... "Through and off" ... with Theo
Hope Impey's ok.0 -
Dave_1 wrote:Bos meant to push him out the way. not drag him across into the barriers bringing hismelf down...??? Are you sure boss wanted t crash too? I don't think anyone would attack someone with such risk of injury to themself...his grab at impey lost them balance...,???
:shock: What? You're having a laugh aren't you? He clearly grabs hold off him and then there is a slight pause and he then throws him aside. Absolutely outrageous. There didn't seem to be anyone about to fall off or go through a gap that wasn't there at all. He threw him aside simple as that.0
