WADA wants the purto bags

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  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    KKspeeder wrote:
    Kléber wrote:
    For the Brits, look no further than Millar. He now seems to be an anti-doping evangelist but he's proof that a Brit will dope of course.

    To return to an earlier point, I mentioned that Allan Davis has been saying "I'll give my blood for testing" as a way to exonerate himself. I said above that all this proves is that he had no blood stored with Fuentes.

    MorayGub replied I was saying this was "guilt by association" when I just meant that proving a negative didn't have to put the guy in the clear...

    ...which brings us to the actual Puerto documents. In the files that have been seen by the Spanish press, Davis's name does not appear alongside the notation for blood doping and the storage of blood. But "Document 23" does list his name and then make reference to EPO, growth hormone and IGF-1 and "Document 31" mentions him again under a sheet explaining the "individualisation" of the doping program. So no blood doping but some serious questions to answer as from the documents it appears Fuentes was detailing a full doping programme.

    Of course I can suggest alternative views, that the documents are false or perhaps Fuentes was just doodling. Hopefully we'll see in court one day. But in the meantime, if you believe the documents are true then like I say, offering a blood test can prove the blood is not yours but it doesn't go very far to explain why words like "hormona de crecimiento" and "EPO" appear next to your name.

    OMG Gustav finished 73rd 49 sec down.... Thats F-d up! Somebody who was 3rd at the Amgen TT is not going to sandbag like that unless not blood-refilled or sick....

    Wiggins is jacked and Contradoper beat him by 7 sec.... And Wiggins is a short TT specialist and he peaked for that TT and he is jacked like hell and he is MUCH heavier than Contra.... Thats F-d is all I have to say. Especiall Gustov's un-jacked 73rd...

    can re-explain a little re Larson...I see he is 77kg and 194cm..how much of a drop in power is it? and for Contador at his size, to produce those watts? And then evans ..quite far down. It's hard to know who to believe these days :?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKBacb2V ... ata_player
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    Larson was 35th in the California prologue. In TTs, he relies a bit on his power/weight ratio it seems. As for Wiggins being "jacked", KKSpeeder, let's hear the evidence.

    I'm happy - see above - to raise suspicions and highlight evidence about riders if they are mentioned by Fuentes and the Spanish police or are known to associate with shysters like Ferrari etc, but there's nothing on Wiggins. Former team manager Eric Boyer has praised his attitude to training and riding.
  • finchy
    finchy Posts: 6,686
    KKspeeder wrote:
    Wiggins is a short TT specialist and he peaked for that TT and he is jacked like hell and he is MUCH heavier than Contra.... Thats F-d is all I have to say. Especiall Gustov's un-jacked 73rd...

    If Wiggins is jacked, then how come he was on Credit Agricole (a team with a reputation for riding clean), Cofidis (as part of the post-scandal clean-up), High Road (again as part of an effort to bring in riders who have a good ethical sense) and Garmin - a team set up with the specific intention of racing clean, and even allowed Kimmage to stay with them for lengthy periods of time. If he were a doper, wouldn't he have been better on teams like Saunier Duval, or Astana?

    And why, if he's on dope, did he not beat Contador yesterday?
  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    KKspeeder wrote:

    OMG Gustav finished 73rd 49 sec down.... Thats F-d up! Somebody who was 3rd at the Amgen TT is not going to sandbag like that unless not blood-refilled or sick....

    Wiggins is jacked and Contradoper beat him by 7 sec.... And Wiggins is a short TT specialist and he peaked for that TT and he is jacked like hell and he is MUCH heavier than Contra.... Thats F-d is all I have to say. Especiall Gustov's un-jacked 73rd...

    Larsson crashed.

    Any evidence for your claims about Wiggins? Other than he's a pro? Probably the same nebulous rubbish you used to claim Boardman was doping. What next, Obree was "jacked"?
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  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    Kléber wrote:
    Moray Gub wrote:
    Shitebag :-)
    Rather than firing off glib comments and insults, why not take the time to join in the debate? Perhaps you'd like to put some counter-arguments? Feel free to actually debate with words rather than lob childish insults around :roll:

    Whhhoooossshh ..........


    MG
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