Pro Tour Pundit 2009
The Tour of California is almost upon us, and you know what that means... the much anticipated return of Pro Tour Pundit!!
How To Play
If you want to join in with Bikeradar's favourite cycling prediction game, it's very simple. All you have to do is pick the rider you think will win each of the races listed below.
A few days before the start of the listed races, just look for a new PTP thread started in the Race forum. The thread will contain links to a start list, route info and so on: just post the name of your rider in that thread. If it's a stage race, you also get to pick who you think will win the individual stages. You get no extra points for picking KOM or points winners, so just stick to naming an overall winner and stage winners.
2009 PTP Calendar
Bit of a rejig this year:
Out - The Olympic RR and TT, the Deutschland Tour (cancelled)
In - Eroica, Vattenfall Cyclassics, two Women's WC races
We'll see how the women's races go. If everyone picks Nicole Cooke it could be a bit dull, but the Women's RR was the best race in all of 2008 so it deserves a chance this year.
Points System
The scoring system has had a bit of revision too. The points for one-day and GC winners stay the same, but stage-winner points have been extended. This way, you can still score a few points if your GC rider abandons or finishes well down the rankings.
Past Winners
And if you pick well, you too could join Bikeradar's illustrious list of past PTP champions. Will Richrd2205 become the first punditeer to win the title on more than one occasion? We'll find out in October!
Good luck everyone!
How To Play
If you want to join in with Bikeradar's favourite cycling prediction game, it's very simple. All you have to do is pick the rider you think will win each of the races listed below.
A few days before the start of the listed races, just look for a new PTP thread started in the Race forum. The thread will contain links to a start list, route info and so on: just post the name of your rider in that thread. If it's a stage race, you also get to pick who you think will win the individual stages. You get no extra points for picking KOM or points winners, so just stick to naming an overall winner and stage winners.
2009 PTP Calendar
Bit of a rejig this year:
Out - The Olympic RR and TT, the Deutschland Tour (cancelled)
In - Eroica, Vattenfall Cyclassics, two Women's WC races
We'll see how the women's races go. If everyone picks Nicole Cooke it could be a bit dull, but the Women's RR was the best race in all of 2008 so it deserves a chance this year.
Feb 14-22 - Tour of California
28 - Het Volk
Mar 7 - Monte Pasche Eroica
8-15 - Paris-Nice
11-17 - Tirreno-Adriatico
21 - Milan-San Remo
28-39 - Criterium International
Apr 5 - Tour of Flanders
6-11 - Tour of the Basque Country
8 - Gent-Wevelgem
12 - Paris-Roubaix
19 - Amstel Gold Race
22 - La Fleche Wallone
26 - Liege-Bastogne-Liege
28- 3 - Tour de Romandie
May 9-31 - Giro d'Italia
Jun 7-14 - Dauphine Libere
13-21 - Tour de Suisse
Jul 4-26 - Tour de France
Aug 1 - Clasica San Sebastian
2-8 - Tour of Poland
16 - Vattenfall Cyclassics
19-26 - Eneco Tour
29-20 - Vuelta a Espana
Sep 23 - Worlds ITT (Women)
24 - Worlds ITT (Men)
26 - Worlds RR (Women)
27 - Worlds RR (Men)
Oct 11 - Paris-Tours
17 - Giro di Lombardia
Points System
The scoring system has had a bit of revision too. The points for one-day and GC winners stay the same, but stage-winner points have been extended. This way, you can still score a few points if your GC rider abandons or finishes well down the rankings.
TdF = Tour de France / G/V = Giro/Vuelta / Reg = Regular season
GC and one-day winners:
TdF | G/V | Reg
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1 | 100 | 85 | 50 |
2 | 75 | 65 | 40 |
3 | 60 | 50 | 35 |
4 | 55 | 45 | 30 |
5 | 50 | 40 | 25 |
6 | 45 | 35 | 20 |
7 | 40 | 30 | 15 |
8 | 35 | 26 | 10 |
9 | 30 | 22 | 5 |
10 | 25 | 19 | 2 |
11 | 20 | 16 | |
12 | 15 | 13 | |
13 | 12 | 11 | |
14 | 10 | 9 | |
15 | 8 | 7 | |
16 | 6 | 5 | |
17 | 5 | 4 | |
18 | 4 | 3 | |
19 | 3 | 2 | |
20 | 2 | 1 | |
Stage winners:
TdF | G/V | Reg
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1 | 12 | 10 | 6 |
2 | 10 | 8 | 5 |
3 | 8 | 6 | 4 |
4 | 7 | 5 | 3 |
5 | 6 | 4 | 2 |
6 | 5 | 3 | 1 |
7 | 4 | 2 | |
8 | 3 | 1 | |
9 | 2 | | |
10 | 1 | | |
Past Winners
And if you pick well, you too could join Bikeradar's illustrious list of past PTP champions. Will Richrd2205 become the first punditeer to win the title on more than one occasion? We'll find out in October!
2006 2007
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1. mangaman 817 1. andyp 723
2. Dave_1 769 2. andrewgturnbull 687
3. yace 737 3. yace 679
4. iainf72 692 4. mangaman 631
5. Timoid 668 5. laurence 607
6. andrewgturnbull 665 6. afx237vi 599
7. MarkM 621 7. Noodley 592
8. RichN95 568 8. GroupOfOne 589
9. afx237vi 561 9. Stephen Sorba 580
10. GroupOfOne 549 10. Greggyr 573
2008
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1. Richrd2205 977
2. thomasmc 922
3. paul27 884
4. redddragon 873
5. Bronzie 848
6. andyp 837
7. Greggyr 823
8. GroupOfOne 816
9. scwxx77 814
10. LangerDan 800
Good luck everyone!
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Comments
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Great stuff, afx237vi. I ducked out last year as I worried it would be too addictive! This time, I'm in. Thanks for your contribution to this, it promises to be a lot of fun.0
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Think i'll do it this year too 8)"A cyclist has nothing to lose but his chain"
PTP Runner Up 20150 -
I pitched in at MSR last year and dipped in and out. Hopefully I can keep in touch with the PTP this year, I've already been watching the form books like a professional gambler!!!0
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Let the games begin0
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Here we go...
trust me, it is addictive... I had to find internet access at many places away from home last year whenever I realised a race was due !!
Rgds
Greg0 -
Here we go then
GC: Levi Leipheimer
Prologue Fabien Cancellara
good luck everyone0 -
Wrong thread, paul (but duly noted)
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Whoops, i got too excited0
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Good to have PTP back: it gives us all a focus other than the doping rumours
GroupOfOne is the one to beat: the only top 10 from every year!!
Last year was easy to pick with the politics of the races & Astana being excluded; this year the politics are far harder to work out. I'll be happy with top 20....0 -
& forgot to say...
Thanks once again to afx for organising all of this!!!!0 -
Richrd2205 wrote:& forgot to say...
Thanks once again to afx for organising all of this!!!!
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It´s great gameIf you like Flandes, Roubaix or Eroica, you would like GP Canal de Castilla, www.gpcanaldecastilla.com0 -
Can i still join in even if im on Ventolin?
It`s a state of mind.0 -
Richrd2205 wrote:GroupOfOne is the one to beat: the only top 10 from every year!!
Just shows who's got too much time on their hands really 0 -
Overall scores after the Tour of California
Name Total ----------------------------- 1 scwxx77 75 2 feersumendjinn 74 3 victorponf 72 4 andyp 70 5 guv001 70 6 mangaman 70 7 redddragon 70 8 Richrd2205 70 9 thomasmc 70 10 1flahute 69 11 LangerDan 69 12 The Prodigy 69 13 winoneday 69 14 disgruntledgoat 68 15 paul27 68 16 ShockedSoShocked 68 17 afx237vi 67 18 Moomaloid 67 19 FJS 66 20 mididoctors 66
I think I'll just post the top 20... the full table takes up a lot of space. Of course you can still view the full listings by clicking here:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... NAdEnJ0NJQ
Next race: Omloop Het Nieuwsblad (formerly Het Volk) - Saturday 28th Feb0 -
scwxx77 remains at the top of the table after round 2 of PTP, extending his lead to 6 points over 1flahute and campagchris, who are tied in 2nd place.
Overall scores after the Omloop Het NieuwsbladName Total ---------------------------- 1 scwxx77 105 2 1flahute 99 3 campagchris 99 4 FJS 96 5 RichN95 95 6 GroupOfOne 93 7 calvjones 85 8 feersumendjinn 74 9 thomasmc 72 10 victorponf 72 11 andyp 70 12 guv001 70 13 mangaman 70 14 redddragon 70 15 Richrd2205 70 16 ShockedSoShocked 70 17 LangerDan 69 18 The Prodigy 69 19 winoneday 69 20 disgruntledgoat 68
Full listings:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... NAdEnJ0NJQ
Next races: Monte Pasche Eroica (March 7th) & Paris-Nice (8-15)0 -
I'm going for the Lanterne Rouge now that Wim Vansevenant has retired!0
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A 41 point lead after 3 races :shock:
Overall scores after the EroicaName Total ---------------------------- 1 FJS 146 2 scwxx77 105 3 1flahute 99 4 campagchris 99 5 RichN95 95 6 GroupOfOne 93 7 LangerDan 89 8 afx237vi 87 9 calvjones 85 10 millar time 82 11 feersumendjinn 74 12 thomasmc 72 13 victorponf 72 14 andyp 70 15 guv001 70 16 mangaman 70 17 redddragon 70 18 Richrd2205 70 19 ShockedSoShocked 70 20 The Prodigy 69
Full scores:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... NAdEnJ0NJQ
Next races: Paris-Nice (March 8-15) & Tirreno-Adriatico (11-17)0 -
...and top scoring in the is-it-a-sportif-is-it-a-classic? also keeps FJS at the top of the World Cup (one day race) standings ahead of Mian-San Remo...
80 FJS
50 campagchris
35 calvjones
32 pmurph
30 1flahute
30 Bronzie
30 Chris_Who
30 GroupOfOne
30 Kléber
30 millar time
30 RichN95
30 scwxx77
30 Timoid
25 csp
20 afx237vi
20 LangerDan
10 Ms Tree
5 DavMartinR
2 camerone
2 iainf72
2 inkyfingers
2 Oz Chief
2 ShockedSoShocked
2 tforonda
2 thomasmc___________________
Strava is not Zen.0 -
Looks like I won't be propping up the table for much longer, after Bertie's effort yesterday0
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FJS is absolutely mullering everyone! By this rate, PTP '09 will be over by the time the Spring Classics are over - he now has a 59 point lead after 4 races.
Overall scores after Paris-NiceName Total ------------------------------ 1 FJS 210 2 scwxx77 151 3 calvjones 146 4 campagchris 144 5 1flahute 142 6 LangerDan 136 7 victorponf 132 8 afx237vi 125 9 GroupOfOne 125 10 millar time 125 11 andyp 123 12 winoneday 121 13 feersumendjinn 120 14 ShockedSoShocked 117 15 Bronzie 114 16 iainf72 114 17 mididoctors 113 18 Richrd2205 111 19 stagehopper 111 20 The Prodigy 111
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... NAdEnJ0NJQ
Next race: Milan-San Remo (Saturday March 21st)0 -
^ Made a slight error with Bronzie's score up there. He should have 112.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... NAdEnJ0NJQ0 -
There is hope! FJS scores only 15 points during T-A, meaning his lead is now down to 26 points. scwxx77 remains in 2nd place... LangerDan moves up into 3rd.
Overall scores after Tirreno-AdriaticoName Total -------------------------------- 1 FJS 225 2 scwxx77 199 3 LangerDan 194 4 calvjones 192 5 andyp 177 6 millar time 173 7 victorponf 172 8 campagchris 171 9 Bronzie 169 10 1flahute 166 11 feersumendjinn 161 12 iainf72 157 13 GroupOfOne 156 14 graham56 154 15 ShockedSoShocked 153 16 Cheshire_Cat 152 17 mididoctors 152 18 stagehopper 150 19 thomasmc 148 20 The Prodigy 147
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... NAdEnJ0NJQ0 -
Spanish Armada (only a ship) is no very far If you like Flandes, Roubaix or Eroica, you would like GP Canal de Castilla, www.gpcanaldecastilla.com0
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Yeah but we all know how the Spaniards get their sporting success
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Not much change after MSR. FJS and scwxx77 both picked the same rider... LangerDan drops down a bit after Booned failed to deliver, and calvjones replaces him in 3rd place.
Overall scores after Milan-San RemoName Total -------------------------- 1 FJS 245 2 scwxx77 219 3 calvjones 212 4 andyp 197 5 campagchris 196 6 Bronzie 194 7 LangerDan 194 8 GroupOfOne 191 9 stagehopper 185 10 feersumendjinn 181 11 Cheshire_Cat 177 12 iainf72 177 13 graham56 174 14 millar time 173 15 victorponf 172 16 redddragon 170 17 thomasmc 168 18 Chris_Who 167 19 1flahute 166 20 liter 165
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... NAdEnJ0NJQ
Next race: Criterium International (March 28-29)0 -
FJS Still comfortably leading the one day World Cup after M-SR and going into the cobbles...
100 FJS
75 campagchris
65 GroupOfOne
55 calvjones
55 Bronzie
55 Chris_Who
55 Kléber
50 scwxx77
50 Timoid
50 sicrow
40 afx237vi
40 marinerrr
40 scottfrasernz
35 stagehopper
35 alanmcn1
35 RichardB101
35 jimycooper
35 sweendog28
35 disgruntledgoat
35 richard w/a baum[/code]___________________
Strava is not Zen.0 -
Bit of a change in the podium places after the Crit Int, with scwxx77 taking the biggest hit. He was the only one of the leading players not to pick Jens Voigt for the overall, and subsequently drops from 2nd place to 9th. Ouch.
FJS still has a pretty hefty lead, with calvjones going up to second and 2007 PTP champion andyp moving up to 3rd.
Overall scores after the Critérium InternationalName Total -------------------------- 1 FJS 300 2 calvjones 268 3 andyp 262 4 iainf72 239 5 graham56 232 6 Chris_Who 231 7 millar time 231 8 1flahute 227 9 scwxx77 227 10 thomasmc 226 11 Kléber 222 12 liter 220 13 alanmcn1 214 14 mididoctors 210 15 The Prodigy 207 16 Bronzie 205 17 Dave_1 202 18 LangerDan 202 19 RichardB101 200 20 paul27 199
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... NAdEnJ0NJQ
Next race: Tour of Flanders (Sunday April 5th)
My birthday! Yipee!0 -
Do we have to wait until next season to bin the Crit. Int.?
Winner: PTP Vuelta 20070 -
Sorry man. Thems the breaks. Dunno why but the Crit Int seemed way below the radar this year... it's usually the biggest race of the weekend, but was a bit ignored by the cycling press this year. Maybe all the cycling journalists decided to stay in Spain after Castilla y Leon.0
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More effort into PTP and less into GILS is needed I think. Season is early yet. Winner: PTP Vuelta 20070
