Shimano and Campagnolo systems

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  • redddraggon
    redddraggon Posts: 10,862
    Leave Dennis alone, he's our campaigner for steel bikes, low gears, and handbuilt wheels.

    Bikeradar would not be the same without him. I like his alternate views, although some of the crap he spouts in the Race section is a bit weird :wink:
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  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    redddraggon wrote:
    Leave Dennis alone, he's our campaigner for steel bikes, low gears, and handbuilt wheels.

    Bikeradar would not be the same without him. I like his alternate views, although some of the crap he spouts in the Race section is a bit weird :wink:

    I have honestly quit the race section. Never to return. Much to the joy of most on it. :wink::wink:

    And I still say this post was to get people doing to Shimano vs Campy thing.
    It's like writting in and asking how to operate a car. Go down to the local bike shop. Take a look if you really don't know. Plus a few of these posters seem to know you and they are cyclists. Why don't they explain it to you some day when you see them? 2000 some posts this year yet you claim to not know anything about all this? Sorry, but I don't believe you. No big deal, it doesn't matter. :wink::wink:

    Dennis Noward
  • lost_in_thought
    lost_in_thought Posts: 10,563
    Ahhhh thanks for leaping to my defence, you lot are nice blokes/burds!

    To be fair to Dennis, he wasn't to know that I have in fact never ridden a road bike with shifters on the handlebars - he probably didn't read all my previous posts before making his conclusions - fair play, there's been a few! And it's not unfair to conclude from the sheer (slightly embarrassing) quantity of my posts that I ought to know stuff. Actually I mostly talk rubbish. ;)

    Dennis, for your info, the only geared bikes I've had have been one 90's MTB with normal flat bar thumb push type levers, one shopper with hub gears and a thumb push type lever which quickly broke and became a SS, and the rubbish roadie in my sig links which has downtube shifters.

    I agree that I could have consulted a bike shop, indeed I did - the guys who I'm planning to get the bike from - but they confused me with technical jargon by email, so I consulted with people who know and also know me... and who I know won't take the mickey... much!

    Thanks for all your help!
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  • lost_in_thought
    lost_in_thought Posts: 10,563
    dennisn wrote:
    Plus a few of these posters seem to know you and they are cyclists. Why don't they explain it to you some day when you see them?

    I don't see much of them... and I did ask them... see above!!

    :D
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    Viner Maxima, Tifosi CK7, Giant Bowery, Old commuter.
  • itboffin
    itboffin Posts: 20,064
    Dennis search this forum for topics on gear inches and massive rings, fixed wheel commuting, read them ALL, stand back in shock and awe (hope that's the right spelling) then delete your account, quit cycling and become a hermit drinking only aqua vita and eating bitter leaves.

    PS. See LiT's awesome RP fixed gear night rides.

    PPS. If you really want to redeem yourself next time you find you're self in the UK make the Morepth Arm's one of you're point of call.
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  • biondino
    biondino Posts: 5,990
    You're way out of your depth on this one, Noward, way out of your depth. Are you going to apologise to the lady or are you actively hoping to become the villain on the commuting forum as well?
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  • Bugly
    Bugly Posts: 520
    I find that the Campag levers are a more comfortable shape - I find the shimano ultegra levers on my CF bike a little large and I have large hands. The campag hood are a better shape for my hands.

    Performance wise I have one road bike with campag centaur and another with shimano ultegra. Both perfom brilliantly, both are well made

    The shimano gear shifts are almost imperceptable, the Campag have a more positive and noticible clunk letting you know you changed. The button on the lever to change up a gear on the Campag is perhaps a little easier to use without thinking but again nothing in it.

    The ULtegra brakes are dual pivot front and rear but not sure if you need that extra leverage on the rear wheel. Again both stop well especially if you use aftermarket pads such as koolstop.

    Ultimatly it comes down to what you like the look of. Very little to choose between in terms of performance.
  • cjcp
    cjcp Posts: 13,345
    dennisn wrote:
    Go down to the local bike shop. Take a look if you really don't know.

    BikeRadar is also an online resource, so people are perfectly at liberty ask questions about what might appear to be even the most straightforward of issues.
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  • always_tyred
    always_tyred Posts: 4,965
    cjcp wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    Go down to the local bike shop. Take a look if you really don't know.

    BikeRadar is also an online resource, so people are perfectly at liberty ask questions about what might appear to be even the most straightforward of issues.

    Oh, lets not over react. Very minor faux pas, the only thing we need to do is boycott the forum, ask all our ISP's to block the site and quit cycling in disgust. Then we should all visit LiT in hospital and offer our support for her to overcome our trauma, and take pictures of Dennis being burned at the stake to cheer her up. :lol:

    (Dennis - you don't mind the whole stake thing do you? If its too cold over there just now, it might be okay to simply impale yourself on it instead, but obviously you'd need persmission from the Morpeth Massiv.)
  • itboffin
    itboffin Posts: 20,064
    So back on track then, why don't we settle this with a gathering of groupsets in one location, for an honest and frank beer fuelled Shimano vs Campagnolo full on hair pulling wrist slapping session, on the sacred ground of the 'The Morpeth Arms'

    The cyclist version of show and tell, i'm sure the other people in the pub would be fascinated to hear us extolling the virtues of double shifting and the beautiful clean lines of carbon weave.

    :shock:
    Rule #5 // Harden The Feck Up.
    Rule #9 // If you are out riding in bad weather, it means you are a badass. Period.
    Rule #12 // The correct number of bikes to own is n+1.
    Rule #42 // A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.
  • Clever Pun
    Clever Pun Posts: 6,778
    itboffin wrote:
    So back on track then, why don't we settle this with a gathering of groupsets in one location, for an honest and frank beer fuelled Shimano vs Campagnolo full on hair pulling wrist slapping session, on the sacred ground of the 'The Morpeth Arms'

    The cyclist version of show and tell, i'm sure the other people in the pub would be fascinated to hear us extolling the virtues of double shifting and the beautiful clean lines of carbon weave.

    :shock:

    I'm pretty sure Biondino and cjcp have no hair... :idea:

    Shimano makes you bald!!!!!
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  • Littigator
    Littigator Posts: 1,262
    Ker-rist, I'm changing to Camp-as ASAP!
    Roadie FCN: 3

    Fixed FCN: 6
  • lost_in_thought
    lost_in_thought Posts: 10,563
    Blimey, this revelation from CP has made my decision for me. I would look really silly with no hair.
    FCN 7/1
    Viner Maxima, Tifosi CK7, Giant Bowery, Old commuter.
  • whyamihere
    whyamihere Posts: 7,714
    lost_in_thought wrote:
    I would look really silly with no hair.
    Oh, I don't know... :twisted:
  • itboffin
    itboffin Posts: 20,064
    whyamihere wrote:
    lost_in_thought wrote:
    I would look really silly with no hair.
    Oh, I don't know... :twisted:

    :shock:
    Rule #5 // Harden The Feck Up.
    Rule #9 // If you are out riding in bad weather, it means you are a badass. Period.
    Rule #12 // The correct number of bikes to own is n+1.
    Rule #42 // A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.
  • lost_in_thought
    lost_in_thought Posts: 10,563
    whyamihere wrote:
    lost_in_thought wrote:
    I would look really silly with no hair.
    Oh, I don't know... :twisted:

    :lol:

    I have to disagree... I'm tempted to photoshop myself and see...
    FCN 7/1
    Viner Maxima, Tifosi CK7, Giant Bowery, Old commuter.
  • itboffin
    itboffin Posts: 20,064
    So... back on track, i'm off to the LBS to play with their Shimano :shock: :shock: :shock:
    Rule #5 // Harden The Feck Up.
    Rule #9 // If you are out riding in bad weather, it means you are a badass. Period.
    Rule #12 // The correct number of bikes to own is n+1.
    Rule #42 // A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.
  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    itboffin wrote:
    So... back on track, i'm off to the LBS to play with their Shimano :shock: :shock: :shock:

    My God man, think of your hair!
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    edited January 2009
    biondino wrote:
    You're way out of your depth on this one, Noward, way out of your depth. Are you going to apologise to the lady or are you actively hoping to become the villain on the commuting forum as well?

    I've read through a few of her 2200+ posts(in less than a year)(on a cycling forum).
    I found that not too long ago she advised someone(with links) to go to various cycling
    video sites to find info about Sora-Tiagra group sets. Another post of hers talked about
    chain tensioners and QR's(and she seemed very knowledgeable). I don't doubt her
    qualifications, I doubt her NOT knowing what those levers are for on a bike. Add to that the fact that it always seems that someone is trying to start up the old Shimano-Campy
    debate and you have my suspicion that that's what this post was all about. Not that I care
    if people want to debate that subject, even to the ends of the earth, I enjoy reading some of it. I was simply making the comment that I thought it was another "troll". Of which there are a fair share of on all parts of this forum. People want people to respond to them.
    Hence the trolling.
    In any case I sincerely apoligize to LiT, if, in fact, she actually doesn't know what those
    levers do and / or how they work. I really do.

    Dennis Noward
  • roger_merriman
    roger_merriman Posts: 6,165
    i think you need to read those or some posts, LIT has not shown trolling tendies to the best of my knowledge ( i don't read her every word) she's stayed clear of helmet etc threads. and such.

    some times questions have to be asked, i my self took a while to work out what on earth was the shimano/campy blood match over.

    there has be banter but not a full on slagging match that alone should give you a hint. which is long way of saying your wrong, by quite some margin. that you think it's trolling is all about you than any thing else.
  • itboffin
    itboffin Posts: 20,064
    jashburnham wrote:
    itboffin wrote:
    So... back on track, i'm off to the LBS to play with their Shimano :shock: :shock: :shock:

    My God man, think of your hair!

    I'm not worried about the hair I'm more worried about where i'm going to hide the stuff I just bought :roll:
    Rule #5 // Harden The Feck Up.
    Rule #9 // If you are out riding in bad weather, it means you are a badass. Period.
    Rule #12 // The correct number of bikes to own is n+1.
    Rule #42 // A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.
  • don_don
    don_don Posts: 1,007
    Having extensively stalked LiT and read every one of her 2k+ posts, I can categorically say she is not a troll...

    A pixie perhaps, but not a troll :wink:

    PS Happy New Year everybody :)
  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    don_don wrote:
    Having extensively stalked LiT and read every one of her 2k+ posts, I can categorically say she is not a troll...

    A pixie perhaps, but not a troll :wink:

    PS Happy New Year everybody :)

    :lol:
  • itboffin
    itboffin Posts: 20,064
    So I've come up with a plan, I make a complete mess of the house, which I never normally do :oops: used coffee cups, multiple plates, sink full to the brim and dishwasher empty, bread crumbs over the worktops, Mrs ITB explodes with anger in the rage doesn't notice the boxes full of bike parts and mud all over the living room carpet, ace!

    Edit: Hello Don Don
    Rule #5 // Harden The Feck Up.
    Rule #9 // If you are out riding in bad weather, it means you are a badass. Period.
    Rule #12 // The correct number of bikes to own is n+1.
    Rule #42 // A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.
  • don_don
    don_don Posts: 1,007
    itboffin wrote:
    So I've come up with a plan, I make a complete mess of the house, which I never normally do :oops: used coffee cups, multiple plates, sink full to the brim and dishwasher empty, bread crumbs over the worktops, Mrs ITB explodes with anger in the rage doesn't notice the boxes full of bike parts and mud all over the living room carpet, ace!

    Edit: Hello Don Don

    Inspired :lol:

    Its nice to be back (if not so nice to be back at work)
  • don_don
    don_don Posts: 1,007
    lost_in_thought wrote:
    whyamihere wrote:
    lost_in_thought wrote:
    I would look really silly with no hair.
    Oh, I don't know... :twisted:

    :lol:

    I have to disagree... I'm tempted to photoshop myself and see...

    Paging _Brun_

    You did a great job on 'Don Hislop' some time ago. I think there's another challenge here :lol:
  • lost_in_thought
    lost_in_thought Posts: 10,563
    Dennis, apology accepted, I don't know how I can prove to you that I didn't know the difference/anything! I trawled the web, unsuccessfully and knew these guys would help me out. I wouldn't bother asking a question I already knew the answer to!

    ITB - grab some soda water and salt and get to cleaning the carpet. Silly person.

    And happy new year to you too don_don!

    Oh and if you're in the copse across the road again, I have run out of vegemite...

    :wink::lol:
    FCN 7/1
    Viner Maxima, Tifosi CK7, Giant Bowery, Old commuter.
  • don_don
    don_don Posts: 1,007
    Oh and if you're in the copse across the road again, I have run out of vegemite...

    Pooh!!

    Hope the achilles is healing well :)
  • iain_j
    iain_j Posts: 1,941
    Dennis - go and check out the "Embarrassing Bike Questions" thread - you'll love it there, full of trolls asking questions that people calling themselves "experienced cyclists" should know :D

    BTW why is going into a bike shop and asking the difference between Campy and Shimano ok, but not on a web forum?
  • cjcp
    cjcp Posts: 13,345
    itboffin wrote:
    jashburnham wrote:
    itboffin wrote:
    So... back on track, i'm off to the LBS to play with their Shimano :shock: :shock: :shock:

    My God man, think of your hair!

    I'm not worried about the hair I'm more worried about where i'm going to hide the stuff I just bought :roll:

    Which means that you're worried about your knackers then?
    FCN 2-4.

    "What happens when the hammer goes down, kids?"
    "It stays down, Daddy."
    "Exactly."

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