Kohl test positive for CERA
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Sad news
Maybe not a surprise after Schumacher got busted
I guess that now means that Sastre got the mountain jersey as well?0 -
is this a joke! i've had enough of these tw%ats doping i quit!0
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Busted!!
Perhaps we should start a new sport: lycra clad buttock twitching
There'd be a few competitors at the minute.... 0 -
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Absolutely no surprise with Kohl. That was quite a ride he did in that race. :P
Here's the alpe d'huez results:
1 Carlos Sastre (Spa) CSC-Saxo Bank 6.07.58 (34.32 km/h)
2 Samuel Sanchez Gonzalez (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi 2.03
3 Andy Schleck (Lux) Team CSC - Saxo Bank
4 Alejandro Valverde Belmonte (Spa) Caisse d'Epargne 2.13
5 Frank Schleck (Lux) Team CSC - Saxo Bank
6 Vladimir Efimkin (Rus) AG2R La Mondiale 2.15
7 Cadel Evans (Aus) Silence - Lotto
8 Denis Menchov (Rus) Rabobank
9 Christian Vande Velde (USA) Team Garmin-Chipotle p/b H30
10 Bernhard Kohl (Aut) Gerolsteiner
11 Roman Kreuziger (Cze) Liquigas 3.11
12 Tadej Valjavec (Slo) AG2R La Mondiale 3.36
13 Stéphane Goubert (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale 3.50
14 David Moncoutié (Fra) Cofidis - Le Crédit par Téléphone 4.57
15 Nicolas Vogondy (Fra) Agritubel 5.16
16 Sandy Casar (Fra) Française des Jeux 5.25
17 Dmitriy Fofonov (Kaz) Crédit Agricole 5.28
18 Damiano Cunego (Ita) Lampre 5.32
19 Amaël Moinard (Fra) Cofidis - Le Crédit par Téléphone 5.40
20 Kim Kirchen (Lux) Team Columbia 6.01
Who's next? :twisted:0 -
Jeff Jones
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From 31st in 2007 to 3rd in 2008. I wish I'd notice this earlier.0
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Cycling has lost all credibility with this
No longer can we say it is the old generation or struggling riders. Since 2004 the authorities have been clamping down (Hamilton+co.) through OpPuerto + Landis then Rasmusen/Vino and now this. Lets face it the sport is a joke!!!!! I actually thought that it was cleaning up but clearly the riders have other ideas. Unless they are cornered like a rat they dope. I can't watch another pro race after this.
Looking at UCI bending rules for Armsrong, Giro not retesting samples (proves not interested in catching cheats), change of leadership in Tour De France .... we are going backwards - cyclings credibility is in freefall like bank stocks only there is no bail out.0 -
I am just glad they've got him. Another cheat in the bag.0
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I used to record the stages of the tour to watch again, but not for a few years now. The Landis solo win particularly blew it for me.
So much for the young, clean generation of cyclists replacing the old guard of druggies.....0 -
This is so depressing. I just can't see an end to this doping problem in cycling - ever. It seems to be such an integral part of the professional sport. It makes you think to hell with it and just hand the stuff out at the races and let em all dose up on what ever they want!0
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Hopefully and I stress the hopefully bit - the way they have been caught this year plus passports plus retrospective testing might make an impact on the cheats. I am personally really pleased that people are getting caught..it doesn't show a lack of credability it shows a commitment by the authorities to catch cheats. All sports have cheats and to believe otherwise is very niaive, at least cycling is catching them.0
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In the context of cheating, did it ever have any?off the back wrote:Cycling has lost all credibility with this
Cheating has been present from day 1. Maurice Garin, winner of the first Tour de France, was disqualified the next year for catching the train.
Despite all the CERA positives (more to come, possibly) and the payments to Spanish gynaecologists, I'd still guess that professional cycling is cleaner than it's ever been. That does not mean that it's clean. Not by a long shot.Jeff Jones
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it seems the average cycling fan is just as good at detecting dopersas the authorities, all these guys were correctly labelled dopers before they were caught, it seems that most of the outstanding performances were drug fuelled.0
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I bet David Rebillin is so glad he didn't do the tour this year!!0
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The tour route for 2009 will be announced the wednesday after next. In order to not have the embarrassment of a rider turning up and then being busted afterwards, we'll therefore know who the positives are before then?0
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I find this quite rogueish, a crafty form of initiative. Besides, the French public weren't sick to death of doping scandals, anyone cheating today is playing with fire.Jeff Jones wrote:Cheating has been present from day 1. Maurice Garin, winner of the first Tour de France, was disqualified the next year for catching the train.
On Kohl and the rest, it feels like the names are being dripped out. Is it me or do you too raise an eyebrow when L'Equipe says Kohl "gives up his KOM jersey to... Carlos Sastre.", are those "..." a sign that Sastre is in the firing line?0 -
I thought all the remaining Cera test results were due by friday or today?0
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I thought they were but weren't the results going to the teams first - so maybe it's just a case of waiting for the teams to make them public - that's if any more are positive.
it's a hard life if you don't weaken.0 -
In that case lets hope Riis is currently crying like a baby!0
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Everyone likes a letter, right?
Bernhard Kohl -
Schloßpark 5/2/4 -
2120 Wolkersdorf - Austria
It's on his website. He obviously wants letters.
Seriously. If cycling's governing bodies aren't willing to tell cheats they're not welcome back, it's time the rest of us did.0 -
Cheatin's cheatin'. It is riskier these days because the tests are properly targeted. But the potential gains of large amounts of cash still seem to outweigh the risks. And those gains are relatively greater these days than they were in 1965 when anti-doping laws/tests first started happening.Kléber wrote:
I find this quite rogueish, a crafty form of initiative. Besides, the French public weren't sick to death of doping scandals, anyone cheating today is playing with fire.Jeff Jones wrote:Cheating has been present from day 1. Maurice Garin, winner of the first Tour de France, was disqualified the next year for catching the train.
Ironically, we can thank Greg LeMond for raising the bar as far as pro cyclists' salaries are concerned. As far as I know, he's one of the very few Tour winners who has a) never been even vaguely implicated in a doping scandal and b) never tested positive at some point during their careers.
It's a bit of editorialising on L'Equipe's part, which may be because they know something that hasn't yet (and might not) come out. Or it may be pure speculation. Libel laws are different in France.On Kohl and the rest, it feels like the names are being dripped out. Is it me or do you too raise an eyebrow when L'Equipe says Kohl "gives up his KOM jersey to... Carlos Sastre.", are those "..." a sign that Sastre is in the firing line?Jeff Jones
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Kléber wrote:
On Kohl and the rest, it feels like the names are being dripped out. Is it me or do you too raise an eyebrow when L'Equipe says Kohl "gives up his KOM jersey to... Carlos Sastre.", are those "..." a sign that Sastre is in the firing line?
Menchov now 3'rd. :roll:
But then, Rabo never appeared on any list I saw. Where as Mr Kohl did. Even a hardened cynic like me sort of discounted the Kohl talk.
Nothing for the 2 "clean" teams yet though.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
Silence-Lotto had heard the rumours
http://www.sporza.be/cm/sporza.be/wielr ... 8/1.397290
Little translated bit
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At the world championships in Varese have been circulating a list bearing the names of 14 suspected riders. Marc Segeant: “I’ve also heard that when Kohl was it.”
“Meanwhile, some of which were already confirmed names, but most do not. Then you hope that Kohl is not there.”
--Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
Jeff Jones wrote:
Cheatin's cheatin'. It is riskier these days because the tests are properly targeted. But the potential gains of large amounts of cash still seem to outweigh the risks. And those gains are relatively greater these days than they were in 1965 when anti-doping laws/tests first started happening.Kléber wrote:
I find this quite rogueish, a crafty form of initiative. Besides, the French public weren't sick to death of doping scandals, anyone cheating today is playing with fire.Jeff Jones wrote:Cheating has been present from day 1. Maurice Garin, winner of the first Tour de France, was disqualified the next year for catching the train.
Ironically, we can thank Greg LeMond for raising the bar as far as pro cyclists' salaries are concerned. As far as I know, he's one of the very few Tour winners who has a) never been even vaguely implicated in a doping scandal and b) never tested positive at some point during their careers.
It's a bit of editorialising on L'Equipe's part, which may be because they know something that hasn't yet (and might not) come out. Or it may be pure speculation. Libel laws are different in France.On Kohl and the rest, it feels like the names are being dripped out. Is it me or do you too raise an eyebrow when L'Equipe says Kohl "gives up his KOM jersey to... Carlos Sastre.", are those "..." a sign that Sastre is in the firing line?
Surely, even being vaguely implicated doesn't count. I mean the way it should work is, you test positive, you are cheating, you don't test positive, you haven't been cheating.x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x
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Surely, even being vaguely implicated doesn't count. I mean the way it should work is, you test positive, you are cheating, you don't test positive, you haven't been cheating
Yeah right...........you obviously don't know much about the history of doping in cycling.
Millar never tested positive, but confessed as he was implicated by other Cofidis team mates.
Rockhard Verwonk(and other Festina team mates) never tested +ve either, but lied thru his teeth for a year before confessing.
I'm afraid in the light of these, and other incidents where riders have never tested +ve but have been busted, your suppostion is niave in the extreme.0 -
Surely, even being vaguely implicated doesn't count. I mean the way it should work is, you test positive, you are cheating, you don't test positive, you haven't been cheating
Yeah right...........you obviously don't know much about the history of doping in cycling.
Millar never tested positive, but confessed as he was implicated by other Cofidis team mates.
Rockhard Verwonk(and other Festina team mates) never tested +ve either, but lied thru his teeth for a year before confessing.
I'm afraid in the light of these, and other incidents where riders have never tested +ve but have been busted, your suppostion is niave in the extreme.0 -
Surely, even being vaguely implicated doesn't count. I mean the way it should work is, you test positive, you are cheating, you don't test positive, you haven't been cheating
Yeah right...........you obviously don't know much about the history of doping in cycling.
Millar never tested positive, but confessed as he was implicated by other Cofidis team mates.
Rockhard Verwonk(and other Festina team mates) never tested +ve either, but lied thru his teeth for a year before confessing.
I'm afraid in the light of these, and other incidents where riders have never tested +ve but have been busted, your suppostion is niave in the extreme.0 -
Surely, even being vaguely implicated doesn't count. I mean the way it should work is, you test positive, you are cheating, you don't test positive, you haven't been cheating
Yeah right...........you obviously don't know much about the history of doping in cycling.
Millar never tested positive, but confessed as he was implicated by other Cofidis team mates.
Rockhard Verwonk(and other Festina team mates) never tested +ve either, but lied thru his teeth for a year before confessing.
I'm afraid in the light of these, and other incidents where riders have never tested +ve but have been busted, your suppostion is niave in the extreme.0
