Kohl test positive for CERA

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  • skavanagh.bikeradar
    skavanagh.bikeradar Posts: 1,097
    He's just manoeuvring early to try and make sure he's got a way back into the peloton. Like many before him he's essentially claiming it happened once because the dog ate his homework and he's ashamed of it (now it's out!). The fact that he thought he could get away with it and did for a while and was only caught out after a retest using a new test, kinda suggests that his conscience wasn't bugging him that much up until he got found out.
  • dave milne
    dave milne Posts: 703
    maybe but still a million times better than the hamilton/landis/vino approach
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    dave milne wrote:
    maybe but still a million times better than the hamilton/landis/vino approach

    How?

    Is one lie better than another?
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    No, it takes a bit more courage to stand up and say "fair cop, gov" than "the lab is wrong" or "I thought I'd get away with it, no regrets". Of course the guy is a cheat and idiot but he's at least a step above Schumacher who has yet to say anything.
  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    He's somewhere in between. Above Vino/Tyler/Landis, but below Sinkewitz/Jaksche.

    Kohl will do the smart thing, admit he was wrong, but not stir the pot. He'll stick to the "I bought it on the internet, no-one else knew" line. That way he won't make any enemies, do his time, but still have a career when he comes back in 2 years. The Basso method.
  • Schmidthouse
    Schmidthouse Posts: 134
    afx237vi wrote:
    He's somewhere in between. Above Vino/Tyler/Landis, but below Sinkewitz/Jaksche.

    Kohl will do the smart thing, admit he was wrong, but not stir the pot. He'll stick to the "I bought it on the internet, no-one else knew" line. That way he won't make any enemies, do his time, but still have a career when he comes back in 2 years. The Basso method.

    I like that - "The Basso method" :)
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  • Patrick1.0
    Patrick1.0 Posts: 290
    Na, he should just condemn them all. I'd stir it up big style if I was worth a podium place in the Tour. Who cares about making dopers and their doctors your enemy? Unless... he wants to dope when he comes back, maybe...

    This is why they should just get a life ban. I am fed up of the: "duh, I dunno' who gave me dems - dems jus' appear by magic," approach from these riders. They're all too much up each other's arses.
  • Cumulonimbus
    Cumulonimbus Posts: 1,730
    I wonder if his earlier samples on the biological passport could be compared to the ones taken from the tour? It wont prove anything i dont imagine but it would be interesting to see if they are suspicious like the initial tour ones are.
  • Schmidthouse
    Schmidthouse Posts: 134
    Cumulonimbus wrote:
    I wonder if his earlier samples on the biological passport could be compared to the ones taken from the tour? It wont prove anything i dont imagine but it would be interesting to see if they are suspicious like the initial tour ones are.

    There has been some UCI comment about the biological passport and the TdF here - http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id= ... oct15news2
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  • Cumulonimbus
    Cumulonimbus Posts: 1,730
    Schmidthouse wrote:
    Cumulonimbus wrote:
    I wonder if his earlier samples on the biological passport could be compared to the ones taken from the tour? It wont prove anything i dont imagine but it would be interesting to see if they are suspicious like the initial tour ones are.

    There has been some UCI comment about the biological passport and the TdF here - http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id= ... oct15news2

    Cheers for that. Doesnt look like Kohl's oh-poor-me explanation holds much water there.
  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    afx237vi wrote:
    He's somewhere in between. Above Vino/Tyler/Landis, but below Sinkewitz/Jaksche.

    Kohl will do the smart thing, admit he was wrong, but not stir the pot. He'll stick to the "I bought it on the internet, no-one else knew" line. That way he won't make any enemies, do his time, but still have a career when he comes back in 2 years. The Basso method.

    Agreed. And seeing how Jaksche and Sinkewitz are getting on, can you blame him?
    It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.
  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    iainf72 wrote:
    dave milne wrote:
    maybe but still a million times better than the hamilton/landis/vino approach

    How?

    Is one lie better than another?

    Iainf, where are you now on the validity of the EPO test? Agree with Ricco and Kohl that it is accurate or you still on the other side?
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  • SpaceJunk
    SpaceJunk Posts: 1,157
    As highlighted in an earlier post, check out this story:

    http://www.velonews.com/article/84319/k ... its-doping

    After reading that, I've come to a couple of conclusions.

    If Kohl 'only' doped because he was fearful of losing his contract at Gerolsteiner through under performing, then he is no better than any other doper.

    Can you get any more selfish? Here's a man who took didn't consider for one moment the affect his actions would have on not only his team mates but his team, just so he had a ride for next year.

    Who would seriously want a team mate like that? Willing to risk not only everything he had but his entire squad.

    Back in June Gerolsteiner were still on the look out for a sponsor. Didn't worried 'Bernie Kohl' though, did it?

    Or you could look at it the other way - who here believes that Kohl did this unaided? I tell you if I was looking at doping, I would be making pretty damn sure the drug in question could not be detected.

    How would Bernie had learnt that between the Dauphine and TdF? He obviously would've consulted with a medical professional to make sure he would not be caught. Is he willing to name names?

    And what a coincidence. I bet you Schumacher will say he doped without anyone else's knowledge. What's the odds on two room mates doping on the same product without the other person knowing??

    Give me a break!

    I hope they throw the book at Bernie, and when his ban is up, no team picks him up. I know I wouldn't want such a selfish rider on my books.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Dave_1 wrote:

    Iainf, where are you now on the validity of the EPO test? Agree with Ricco and Kohl that it is accurate or you still on the other side?

    Dave_1 - I posted a link to a Danish study which indicated the urine EPO test was not all that accurate. Ricco was urine tested, what, 8 times, and only 2 samples came back positive. The blood test seems a lot more accurate.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • DavidBelcher
    DavidBelcher Posts: 2,684
    leguape wrote:
    DavidBelcher wrote:
    Yellow Peril wrote:
    If anyone of those were found to be drug cheats it would be like tossing a grenade into the room of British cycling and shutting the door

    Apparently, if David Millar had been receiving any Lottery funding around the time his EPO use was uncovered, it would've been financial curtains for the coaching/training set-up BC had in place for the other largely track-based riders. Given all that's been achieved at World Champs and Olympic Games since then, a disastrous scenario.

    David

    That doesn't sound right to me.

    It was originally mentioned either by Les Woodland in 'This Island Race' or William Fotheringham in 'Roule Britannia'; either way, not my own personal take on the situation, just what I'd seen in the book.

    David
    "It is not enough merely to win; others must lose." - Gore Vidal
  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    I'm glad the new tests have not resulted in a pathetic challenge by the guilty party (at least in this case).

    I am concerned though that Kohl is not "outing" his co-conspirators or suppliers. I don't believe it is just to save face amongst the peleton as I thought the days of marginalising "the grass" were over.

    I can only assume that the people behind it all are very powerful indeed. why would the seedy world of sporting drugs be any less dangerous than narcotics on the street?
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  • method
    method Posts: 784
    Yellow Peril wrote:
    I don't believe it is just to save face amongst the peloton as I thought the days of marginalising "the grass" were over.

    I think quite a few people may disagree with that.
  • Patrick1.0
    Patrick1.0 Posts: 290
    Why has nobody said that Sastre is dirty yet? Lance was dirty because he beat lots of dopers... looks like Sastre has done the same thing.
  • ratherbeintobago
    ratherbeintobago Posts: 636
    Patrick1.0 wrote:
    Why has nobody said that Sastre is dirty yet? Lance was dirty because he beat lots of dopers... looks like Sastre has done the same thing.

    Ahem: http://www.bikeradar.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12588630

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  • leguape
    leguape Posts: 986
    I thought Sinkewitz only sung because he thought he'd get less bird for it, likewise Jaksche. Then again Jorg wasn't ever just another dumb kid who knew how to ride a bike, as so many of the peloton are.
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  • rapid_uphill
    rapid_uphill Posts: 841
    sinkewitz has a conscience thats why he blabbed
    leguape wrote:
    I thought Sinkewitz only sung because he thought he'd get less bird for it, likewise Jaksche. Then again Jorg wasn't ever just another dumb kid who knew how to ride a bike, as so many of the peloton are.
  • Cumulonimbus
    Cumulonimbus Posts: 1,730
    Did anyone ever ask Kohl where he was when everyone else, bar Schumacher, was celebrating the new test for CERA?

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