ohurugu - Rasmussen whats the diff ????
Gazzetta67
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so you miss 3 out of competition drug tests and now your a olympic champion.....rasmussen gets chucked out the tour and they want him banned .he s never tested positive....so am i missing something.??? the one rule for one and one for the other smacks of hypocrisy.
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As for Ohurugu, I don't know. Generously, you could say she's been caught by the authorities for being stupid. Cynically, step-1 of the Balco Lab "handbook" advised people to miss as many tests as possible, to dodge as many tests as you can. But even if she was caught doping, she would be back after her ban now.
Whether this explains three missed test I'm not sure. If so it goes some way to explaining the relative lack of success on the track and field if the governing body is that rubbish.
Sounds like text book dope test avoidance
October 2005, dope tester come calling not available, but due to the 3 missed test rule can afford to keep doping, can always miss a second test if they come calling while on a cycle!
June 2006, damn more bad luck, that’s my two chances gone, will have to stay clean for a bit now
June 2006, oh censored they are back for more and I am still not clean from the last cycle damn that’s terribly bad luck! Oh well I guess missing tests is better than failing...
She wouldn’t be back if she had tested positive, at least she would not be at the Olympics. She would be in the same situation as dwayne Chambers.
ps. what a joke the BBC commentators are, they are quick to point out some of the numerous dopers competing in the Olympics, in particular when they finish ahead of a British athlete (ie Blonska in the Heptathlon) but quietly ignore Ohurugu transgressions or even try to portray her as some kind of hero for coming back after those nasty tester got her banned.
Eh, when did you get out? Weren't the ropes tight enough?
Other than that, no difference at all. :roll:
UK win the gold medal in rule bending hypocricy. (Just don't try and tell the BBC that)
Any truth in the rumour that she told the BOC that she'd run for Nigeria if they didn't revoke her ban?
Good old debate going on the BBC blog if you can scroll through the nauseating guff before it
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/200 ... piece.html
cheers
MG
To believe that a professional athlete could miss three doping tests by accident is naive in the extreme.
What's the bet that she beats Chris Hoy in BBC Sports Personality of the Year?
It's as if the Chambers/Balco letter never existed!
Anyway, she's a runner so her gold is worth 5 of anyone else's. Ask Sue Barker, she's knows. If Ohrugu was a Romanian I bet Sue would change her mind. I thought Foster and Cram were terribly one-eyed in the marathon commentary and quite uncomplimentary about the winner. Sour grapes if you ask me.
Wouldn't have anything to do with him being a 'nasty foreigner' and her being a 'good honest Brit'?
Must say when she won the gold last year at the World Champs I found the BBC's response nauseating - completely forgetting what had happened, but whoa betide any foreigner doing the same thing.
All Road/ Gravel: tbc
WInter: Trek Domane ALR3
MTB: Canyon Grand Canyon 8.0
Road: tbc
Arguably she also returned several negative samples for in competition and out of competition tests during that period. Then again there's a list as long as your arm of proven dopers who've done likewise. And the small matter that the BOA has only upheld something like 4 out of 30 something appeals against life bans.
http://www.atomicecho.com/cycling
A hollow victory indeed
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/columnists/2008/08/20/christine-ohuruogu-won-britain-s-16th-gold-last-night-but-i-don-t-count-it-115875-20704882/
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By Simon Hart in Beijing
Last Updated: 11:08PM BST 19 Aug 2008
"I'd be very happy to be the poster girl for London 2012," she said. "Why not me?" Her credentials were faultless. An intelligent, articulate girl of Nigerian parentage who would symbolise the rich ethnic diversity which the London bid team had used to sell the city to the International Olympic Committee.
She was also a truly outstanding athlete and a role model for young people from similar humble backgrounds to show what could be achieved if you worked hard enough.
Eighteen turbulent months later that story had taken on entirely different complexion. Ohuruogu had just won the World Championship gold medal in Osaka, but this time her celebrations were soured by the hostility that followed.
The morning after her victory, a tabloid newspaper published a front-page picture of her accompanied by the headline: "Don't make this the face of 2012".
Ohuruogu's name will always carry a parenthesis. It is her misfortune to be forever burdened by the stigma of her three missed drug tests. She has never failed a drug test and it is hard to imagine that she is anything other than clean.
Much of the cynicism of Osaka flowed from disbelief that she could win so soon after a one-year ban. What yesterday demonstrated is that she is a true champion, capable of peaking on the biggest stage. What more does she have to do to prove the cynics wrong?
heheeheheheeh.
Sigh.
Torygraph, eh?
It all goes to show we are really no different to the rest.
I bet Sue Barker will suddenly have a harder attitude toward people with doping murk hovering over them today, especially as it is a foreigner who beat a Brit.
Read the Balco letter Sue, it'll show you that you take an athlete's word for it at the risk of making yourself looking like a gullible fool. Trust me, I've been following cycling for 23 years I know all about it!
She was not where she said she would be on 3 occasions when RANDOM testers turned up (twice the training track had been given over to other events, I think, without notification to other users). The athlete did not know they were being tested on those occasions. All Conte's assertions relate to the american system as far as I can tell, not UK Sport's. No where was it stated the tester found a voicemail 'inbox' full up and Ohuruogu certainly wasn't out of the country. On one of the occasions the silly girl spoke to the tester by phone but didnt think she could make the journey from where she was to (admittedly) where she should have been within the 1 hour window available. I don;t think she really understodd the consequences - knowing UK Athletics for the shower of censored they are it wouldn't suprise me if the communication on this matter was less than explicit. They certainly never made it clear that the 1 hour window, 5 days a week, could be given as an athletes home address, rather than a training venue (which is subject to change) which makes it a lot easier.
YES - she was stupid
YES - she was bloody naive
YES - she was quite arsey afterwards and should have been more apologetic
MAYBE - she is dodgy - who knows.
There was not case of 'not turning up', they didn't know it was going to happen.
There was no case of knowing the testers were there and doing a runner (a la Rio F)
All parties have since improved the notification and whereabouts system - and this case has certainly served as a wake-up to all athletes about the responsibility they have to try & remain above suspicion.
It's notable that there were 3 cases across different sports - Athletics, Judo, Triathlon, in the first 18 MONTHS (edit - oops, not years) or so of the system operating, and none since as athletes seem to have realised the seriousness of keeping the register up to date, even for last minute changes.
However, with top level sport these days you never know, unfortunately.
Interesting that the doping apologists want us to see cheating in shades of grey - I'm not aware that if you get caught cheating on your exams that you get mitigating circumstances taken into account.
The way Usain Bolt won the 100m, the way he's cruising through the 200m heats. The spectres of Justin Gatlin and Ben Johnson loom large there.
The way swimmers are thrashing world records, our team pursuiters record a time 2 seconds faster than the current world record and are 11 seconds faster than their Athens 2004 times.
Rashid Ramzi's win at the 1500m? Steve Ovett's comments suggest that there's doubt there, he rarely races, yet come the big event, pops out of the woodwork and wins convincingly. He bursts onto the world scene in 2004, taking 9 seconds off his personal best and beats El Gerooujj, in 2005 gets both 8 & 1500m titles. He's raced at only 3 meetings this year, including the OLympics.
With regards to comparing Ohurugu & Rasmussen, there's no dirty washing popping up about shoe-boxes and she wasn't in another country when the testers came knocking.
Is she racing "clean"? We don't know, only she knows.
I think this is a good point to remember. It seem that there was a real lack or organisation on behalf of the british authorities, and this obviously wasn't just in athletics. Yes i agree 3 strikes is pretty incredible, and also WHY was her coach not more on top of this.
I'd like to think she is clean, but 3 missed tests is slightly dubious to say the least. Also, when a foreigner does something like this they all weigh in with both feet first.
All Road/ Gravel: tbc
WInter: Trek Domane ALR3
MTB: Canyon Grand Canyon 8.0
Road: tbc
All a lot of us see is 'three missed tests' and thats it - we condemn her. There was an inquiry and the evidence was presented - and that was enough for the BOC to permit her to run - they've at least been to the bother of looking into the cases - most of us here havent.
Rasmussen was clearly different - he was caught out lying about which country he was in to avoid the testers. Thats not the same as Ohuruogu. He lied - to my best knowledge - she didnt.
I,m onboard this too.
even if I knew 1000% she never doped I still say chuck her off the team as the BOC wanted too