Silly commuting racing

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  • W1
    W1 Posts: 2,636
    TGOTB wrote:
    elbowloh wrote:
    I won't be taking part, as I automatically think that anyone trackstanding on the commute is a tw@t. :wink:
    Either:
    1. You can clip in first time, every time, without looking at your feet. If this is the case, and assuming you're in a sensible gear, you'll get away from the lights far more quickly than anyone who was trackstanding.
    2. You can't reliably clip in first time. If this is the case, why would you waste the opportunity to practice it 50-odd times a day, and learn to get it right?
    Please can we ban people who stop pedalling to look at their feet to clip in (particularly those who have pushed to the front of the ASL first)? They launch off half a pedal rotation and then almost come to a halt trying to clip in.

    I have another question - what is it with people waiting at lights resting their two veg on the top tube? It cannot be comfortable. It always appears to be a certain type of rider.
  • tgotb
    tgotb Posts: 4,714
    W1 wrote:
    Please can we ban people who stop pedalling to look at their feet to clip in (particularly those who have pushed to the front of the ASL first)? They launch off half a pedal rotation and then almost come to a halt trying to clip in
    This is a total mystery. The pedal's in precisely the same place every time; unless you're a trackstander you probably repeat that clip-in 100 times a day; that's 25,000 times a year. How could you not have figured out how to do it without looking at your feet?

    Do the same people need to stare at their feet when they're walking on uneven ground or using stairs?
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  • W1 wrote:
    I have another question - what is it with people waiting at lights resting their two veg on the top tube? It cannot be comfortable. It always appears to be a certain type of rider.

    That's the old 'casually deliberate' stance from the 'Rules'. All I'm saying on that is if you do it on the commute, you'd better be able to back it up pace-wise. Or I'll think you're a bit of a wally.
  • rower63
    rower63 Posts: 1,991
    ...They also take up about 3 times more space than your normal foot down person....
    not if I'm anywhere near them they don't: I position myself to make sure of it :mrgreen:
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  • jonginge
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    W1 wrote:
    I have another question - what is it with people waiting at lights resting their two veg on the top tube? It cannot be comfortable. It always appears to be a certain type of rider.

    That's the old 'casually deliberate' stance from the 'Rules'. All I'm saying on that is if you do it on the commute, you'd better be able to back it up pace-wise. Or I'll think you're a bit of a wally.
    Oi! I resemble that remark

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  • dekant
    dekant Posts: 114
    W1 wrote:
    I have another question - what is it with people waiting at lights resting their two veg on the top tube? It cannot be comfortable. It always appears to be a certain type of rider.

    That's the old 'casually deliberate' stance from the 'Rules'. All I'm saying on that is if you do it on the commute, you'd better be able to back it up pace-wise. Or I'll think you're a bit of a wally.

    Also, it's not the two veg - they're sitting slightly offset so it's the back of the thigh on one leg
  • I won't comment on my ability to FUC a 25 k commute and penchant for a bit of top tube sitting for fear of jinxing my ride home.

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  • rower63 wrote:
    ...They also take up about 3 times more space than your normal foot down person....
    not if I'm anywhere near them they don't: I position myself to make sure of it :mrgreen:


    Glad it isn't just me who does that !!!
  • itboffin
    itboffin Posts: 20,072
    W1 wrote:
    Please can we ban people who stop pedalling to look at their feet to clip in (particularly those who have pushed to the front of the ASL first)? They launch off half a pedal rotation and then almost come to a halt trying to clip in.

    this is me at the moment on one of my bikes due to the 10 year old pedals badly need a service or replacing altogether, when i unclip they spin around for ages and godforbid you touch them even gently before clipping back in :roll:

    Note to self change those pedals :lol:
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  • asprilla
    asprilla Posts: 8,440
    Averaged above 30kph in both directions today. Would have beaten my fastest commute home ever (set yesterday replacing a 2012 time) if I hadn't got stuck behind Miss Daisy driving herself down Kings Road from RP.
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  • cjcp
    cjcp Posts: 13,345
    dekant wrote:
    W1 wrote:
    I have another question - what is it with people waiting at lights resting their two veg on the top tube? It cannot be comfortable. It always appears to be a certain type of rider.

    That's the old 'casually deliberate' stance from the 'Rules'. All I'm saying on that is if you do it on the commute, you'd better be able to back it up pace-wise. Or I'll think you're a bit of a wally.

    Also, it's not the two veg - they're sitting slightly offset so it's the back of the thigh on one leg

    Yep, the left side for me!
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  • drhaggis
    drhaggis Posts: 1,150
    Asprilla wrote:
    Averaged above 30kph in both directions today. Would have beaten my fastest commute home ever (set yesterday replacing a 2012 time) if I hadn't got stuck behind Miss Daisy driving herself down Kings Road from RP.

    Bloody cars sticking to the speed limit
  • hopkinb
    hopkinb Posts: 7,129
    cjcp wrote:
    dekant wrote:
    W1 wrote:
    I have another question - what is it with people waiting at lights resting their two veg on the top tube? It cannot be comfortable. It always appears to be a certain type of rider.

    That's the old 'casually deliberate' stance from the 'Rules'. All I'm saying on that is if you do it on the commute, you'd better be able to back it up pace-wise. Or I'll think you're a bit of a wally.

    Also, it's not the two veg - they're sitting slightly offset so it's the back of the thigh on one leg

    Yep, the left side for me!

    Right sitbone on top tube, two veg off to the left, left foot on floor, rest of me casually deliberate. :lol:
  • hopkinb
    hopkinb Posts: 7,129
    Bit of an effort this morning, someone on a grey and orange genesis with the air of a proper cyclist about him, buzzy freehub too. At least it meant I lost the autumnal chill quite quickly. Burned off a bunch of clunkers in PE shorts on the little drag up Southwark Bridge, I was minding my own business when I realised I was about to be overtaken by a mini horde - all flailing elbows and knees, with clothing flapping about in the wind. My pride wouldn't allow it, so pressed harder on the pedals, and hey presto, they disappeared over my right shoulder.

    Full TGOTB today given the weather i.e. arm and knee warmers, to be safely stowed in pockets later.
  • itboffin
    itboffin Posts: 20,072
    4c this morning at 6am i'm now no longer missing commuting to work by bike
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  • hopkinb wrote:
    Bit of an effort this morning, someone on a grey and orange genesis with the air of a proper cyclist about him, buzzy freehub too. At least it meant I lost the autumnal chill quite quickly. Burned off a bunch of clunkers in PE shorts on the little drag up Southwark Bridge, I was minding my own business when I realised I was about to be overtaken by a mini horde - all flailing elbows and knees, with clothing flapping about in the wind. My pride wouldn't allow it, so pressed harder on the pedals, and hey presto, they disappeared over my right shoulder.

    Full TGOTB today given the weather i.e. arm and knee warmers, to be safely stowed in pockets later.

    It was pretty noddery out there today, I'm liking the sun and cold though my light long finger gloves could have been thicker. Watch some douche scoot across the red lights at the foot of Southwark bridge, he was then exceptionally keen to stay ahead once he'd realise the work and hid dog caught him over the bridge.
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  • Left the house at 6:50 to go to RP, turned around by 6:55 to get a jacket. It was a very pretty morning even if I'm now sadly reminded that winter is coming
  • I thought the chill this morning would reduce the number of summer cyclists on the road, but just the opposite - Embankment in particular was rammed full of PE kit wearing choppers.
  • rower63
    rower63 Posts: 1,991
    I thought the chill this morning would reduce the number of summer cyclists on the road, but just the opposite - Embankment in particular was rammed full of PE kit wearing choppers.
    Huge, huge crowds today. Almost peak cyclist, I think, before wintry weather culls them.
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  • cruff
    cruff Posts: 1,518
    itboffin wrote:
    4c this morning at 6am i'm now no longer missing commuting to work by bike
    I commuted to my club chainy and back last night. Started out in bright sunshine but was already a bit colder than forecast. Finished chainy at quarter to 8 and rode home in the dark - nearly 35 miles and it was at least six degrees colder than the forecast (supposed to have been 12C, Garmin dropped steadily to 6 over the course of the ride). Absolutely thieving a living, weather forecasters
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  • anonymousblackfg
    anonymousblackfg Posts: 2,029
    edited September 2019
    rower63 wrote:
    I thought the chill this morning would reduce the number of summer cyclists on the road, but just the opposite - Embankment in particular was rammed full of PE kit wearing choppers.
    Huge, huge crowds today. Almost peak cyclist, I think, before wintry weather culls them.

    Yep, hoards who will have dusted the bike off in June and have just returned from holidays to find still commutable weather (by their standards), a little damp next week so a fair proportion will melt. When you get a clear run you don't half feel fast though, passing near all in sight at double their speed.
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  • tgotb
    tgotb Posts: 4,714
    Cruff wrote:
    supposed to have been 12C, Garmin dropped steadily to 6 over the course of the ride
    Long-term feedback on this forum is that Garmin's do have a tendency to under-read the temperature by quite a lot. I don't know whether it's predictable or varies from device to device, but I'm pretty sure mine is out by several degrees...
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  • drhaggis
    drhaggis Posts: 1,150
    Cruff wrote:
    itboffin wrote:
    4c this morning at 6am i'm now no longer missing commuting to work by bike
    I commuted to my club chainy and back last night. Started out in bright sunshine but was already a bit colder than forecast. Finished chainy at quarter to 8 and rode home in the dark - nearly 35 miles and it was at least six degrees colder than the forecast (supposed to have been 12C, Garmin dropped steadily to 6 over the course of the ride). Absolutely thieving a living, weather forecasters

    The forecast, from the same day, was off by 6C? Really? Which forecast? Was there a sudden, unexpected and large change of wind?
  • tgotb
    tgotb Posts: 4,714
    DrHaggis wrote:
    The forecast, from the same day, was off by 6C? Really? Which forecast? Was there a sudden, unexpected and large change of wind?
    Local effects too. For instance, the temperature for my commute from Central London through Richmond Park would be summarised by a single figure on many weather forecasts, but on a clear Autumn evening I've seen a difference of as much as 10 degrees between the urban heat island of Central London and the coldest frost hollow in Richmond Park after it's had a couple of hours to radiate its heat into the night sky. Even within the park, the top of Ballet School Hill can be as much as 5 degrees warmer than the frost hollow that tends to form near Sheen Cross, ~500 yards away.
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  • keef66
    keef66 Posts: 13,123
    I think my Garmin records temperatures fairly accurately. At any rate it agrees with the car and the max/min thermometer in the garden. Last night I noticed some quite sudden drops in temperature at some points in the ride, usually low points where the cooler air was collecting.
  • W1
    W1 Posts: 2,636
    hopkinb wrote:
    cjcp wrote:
    dekant wrote:
    W1 wrote:
    I have another question - what is it with people waiting at lights resting their two veg on the top tube? It cannot be comfortable. It always appears to be a certain type of rider.

    That's the old 'casually deliberate' stance from the 'Rules'. All I'm saying on that is if you do it on the commute, you'd better be able to back it up pace-wise. Or I'll think you're a bit of a wally.

    Also, it's not the two veg - they're sitting slightly offset so it's the back of the thigh on one leg

    Yep, the left side for me!

    Right sitbone on top tube, two veg off to the left, left foot on floor, rest of me casually deliberate. :lol:
    Without wanting to get into the biology, I still don't get it.

    Either perch on the saddle, or stand-up properly. But resting the "thigh" on a cold frame? Whatsthatabout?
  • W1
    W1 Posts: 2,636
    TGOTB wrote:
    W1 wrote:
    Please can we ban people who stop pedalling to look at their feet to clip in (particularly those who have pushed to the front of the ASL first)? They launch off half a pedal rotation and then almost come to a halt trying to clip in
    This is a total mystery. The pedal's in precisely the same place every time; unless you're a trackstander you probably repeat that clip-in 100 times a day; that's 25,000 times a year. How could you not have figured out how to do it without looking at your feet?

    Do the same people need to stare at their feet when they're walking on uneven ground or using stairs?
    So, to be clear, we can ram these incompetent ditherers, right?
  • hopkinb
    hopkinb Posts: 7,129
    W1 wrote:

    Either perch on the saddle, or stand-up properly. But resting the "thigh" on a cold frame? Whatsthatabout?

    Saddle too high to perch (or legs too short?) either way, impossible.

    Stand up properly - tiring after approx 10 seconds, so...

    ...if a long wait is expected, rest sitbone on top tube, utilising pad in bib shorts to insulate self from the cold, hard frame - attain nirvana (also annoy some people it seems, so I might even clasp my hands together and put my forearms on the handlebars too, and go for the full "look" this evening :D )
  • mamil314
    mamil314 Posts: 1,103
    It's uncomfortable, calf cramping, reach to the ground from the seat, so I, too, rest right ham on the top tube.
  • keef66
    keef66 Posts: 13,123
    My first year with SPD-SLs and I still occasionally have to look down at my left pedal to see why I failed to clip in. It definitely doesn't hang down obligingly in the same position every time. Maybe I need to strip them down, fill with runnier grease, and back off the bearing preload a bit? Or maybe glue a couple of lead weights to the backs??

    But I'm not commuting, so the only person I'm annoying is me...