Positive testosterone on Stage 11

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  • bigdawg
    bigdawg Posts: 672
    llanberispass wrote:
    What chance some amazing Chinese results in the Olympics per chance.

    wont be from cycling the IOC are considering throwing it out altogether if this carries on... :x
    dont knock on death\'s door.....

    Ring the bell and leg it...that really pi**es him off....
  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    llanberispass wrote:
    In case you feel like shrugging off the mortal coil here is something to cheer you up:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sportspeople_who_tested_positive_for_banned_substances

    So why is cycling always the one that gets beatun up by the press? OK it needs to clean up but i suspect a lot of other sports in other countries are hiding it under the carpet.

    What chance some amazing Chinese results in the Olympics per chance.


    Genius. We are the kings of horse doping. Vino's got nothing on us.
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  • pete236uk
    pete236uk Posts: 58
    looked at it made me smile about the fiji rugby player for canabis
    peter
  • top_bhoy
    top_bhoy Posts: 1,424
    bigdawg wrote:
    what we should be looking at here is also the fact that yet again the news has come from a 'leaked source' - these guys at the labs :x are as trustworthy as the dopers

    Theres nothing like shifting the blame. The bottom line is if riders didn't dope there would be no news to leak - to start blaming the labs is simply sticking ones head in the sand!!!

    I don't believe this news has came from the labs, my brother in France tells me a French Govt minister was on TV earlier and said there was more news to announce on doping but was unable to speak further on it!!!

    The French Govt will now begin a clampdown on drugs I suspect - a doping offence in France will carry heavier penalties whether in a race or out.
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  • bigdawg
    bigdawg Posts: 672
    not shifting any blame, just fed up with leaks as this is where rumours start.

    theres a whole thread on here about should ras be allowed to win, and as yet hes not actually done anything wrong :?
    dont knock on death\'s door.....

    Ring the bell and leg it...that really pi**es him off....
  • JustRidecp
    JustRidecp Posts: 302
    llanberispass wrote:
    In case you feel like shrugging off the mortal coil here is something to cheer you up:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sportspeople_who_tested_positive_for_banned_substances

    So why is cycling always the one that gets beatun up by the press? OK it needs to clean up but i suspect a lot of other sports in other countries are hiding it under the carpet.

    What chance some amazing Chinese results in the Olympics per chance.

    Interesting looking at that list that the amount of doping is less in cycling than in football and a hell of a lot less than athletics.
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  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    JustRidecp wrote:
    llanberispass wrote:
    In case you feel like shrugging off the mortal coil here is something to cheer you up:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sportspeople_who_tested_positive_for_banned_substances

    So why is cycling always the one that gets beatun up by the press? OK it needs to clean up but i suspect a lot of other sports in other countries are hiding it under the carpet.

    What chance some amazing Chinese results in the Olympics per chance.

    Interesting looking at that list that the amount of doping is less in cycling than in football and a hell of a lot less than athletics.



    Nope. There are a hell of a lot more footballers and athletes.

    Who gives a fook what other sports are doing when cycling is killing itself.
    It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.
  • JustRidecp
    JustRidecp Posts: 302
    Timoid. wrote:
    JustRidecp wrote:
    llanberispass wrote:
    In case you feel like shrugging off the mortal coil here is something to cheer you up:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sportspeople_who_tested_positive_for_banned_substances

    So why is cycling always the one that gets beatun up by the press? OK it needs to clean up but i suspect a lot of other sports in other countries are hiding it under the carpet.

    What chance some amazing Chinese results in the Olympics per chance.

    Interesting looking at that list that the amount of doping is less in cycling than in football and a hell of a lot less than athletics.



    Nope. There are a hell of a lot more footballers and athletes.

    Who gives a fook what other sports are doing when cycling is killing itself.

    Good point! Cheers
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  • bipedal
    bipedal Posts: 466
    moreni cofidis... blimey
  • Langenberg
    Langenberg Posts: 453
    Really? Link?
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  • NFMC
    NFMC Posts: 232
    So why is cycling always the one that gets beatun up by the press? OK it needs to clean up but i suspect a lot of other sports in other countries are hiding it under the carpet.

    Because to the casual observer it just looks to be endemic. And, as the poster above says about not blaimng the messenger for the leaks the same goes for the media. If they had no ammunition they'd have nothing to write.
  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    So French teams are not immune.

    Bravo the testers once again.
    It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.
  • bipedal
    bipedal Posts: 466
    http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/breves20 ... 16Dev.html
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Can't wait to hear what Wiggins has to say about that.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • bipedal
    bipedal Posts: 466
    edited July 2007
    Glad it wasn't the T-Mobile chap, but not good for the MFCC's first day of existence!
  • Langenberg
    Langenberg Posts: 453
    Yes, so much for French teams being cleaner by definition... (although I suspect they do more than some other teams).
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  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    From cyclingnews.com

    "Ironically, Moreni and the Cofidis team were part of a group of riders who staged a protest at the start of today's stage in Orthez, along with the other French teams and the Gerolsteiner squad. The teams came together to form the new 'Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible' - and stayed behind at the start and allowing the rest of the peloton to ride on ahead."

    That's kind of funny in a REALLY black way
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  • jibi
    jibi Posts: 857
    what happens if they,cofidis, are asked to leave the tour too?

    george

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  • bipedal
    bipedal Posts: 466
    jibi wrote:
    what happens if they,cofidis, are asked to leave the tour too?

    george

    would be a clear case of double standards if they aren't! (but they won't be...)
  • bigdawg
    bigdawg Posts: 672
    so did they wait until after the stage to tell him hes failed a test, or did he get the info over his radio??
    dont knock on death\'s door.....

    Ring the bell and leg it...that really pi**es him off....
  • GroupOfOne MkII
    GroupOfOne MkII Posts: 1,289
    Haha can you imagine have to cycle all the way to the top today, kill your body scraping in inside the time limiti only to be told 'Sorry son, you failed a drug test way back on Stage 11, you needn't have bothered'.
  • ricadus
    ricadus Posts: 2,379
    He's 35, so he may as well retire to the granfondo circuit now.
    Tour de France
  • top_bhoy
    top_bhoy Posts: 1,424
    jibi wrote:
    what happens if they,cofidis, are asked to leave the tour too?

    george

    Every team who has a rider found doping can't be expelled from the race - not yet anyway!! I think Astana case is slightly more extreme - I suspect that ASO will conclude that Vinos blood doping, as the very senior team lead, would have been carried out with the knowledge of the team bosses. Astana also have a very poor, very recent, past.

    On the other hand, Cofidis is French (it will count for something) and it is possible this individual has doped in secret away from team bosses and it will be adjudged that it is unfair to punish an entire team.
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  • ricadus
    ricadus Posts: 2,379
    Top_Bhoy wrote:
    On the other hand, Cofidis is French (it will count for something)

    ...and the individual concerned isn't French, so it can be spun as another case of a cheating foreigner-outsider tarnishing the reputation of France's premier sporting event.
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  • millar time
    millar time Posts: 392
    But surely Cofidis have 'form' where this is concerned. After all which team was Millar on when he used EPO, and said he felt under pressure to do so? Exactly - Cofidis. I can't see a way in which ASO can't chuck Cofidis out, if they stick to their own logic. But then the French aren't always so good at doing to themeselves what they do to others...
  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    millar time wrote:
    But surely Cofidis have 'form' where this is concerned. After all which team was Millar on when he used EPO, and said he felt under pressure to do so? Exactly - Cofidis. I can't see a way in which ASO can't chuck Cofidis out, if they stick to their own logic. But then the French aren't always so good at doing to themeselves what they do to others...

    Rubbish. Millar was 4 years ago. How many positives has Cofidis had since?

    Astana have had Kessler, Mazzolini and Vino in the past couple of months. And soon they'll have another (whichever bugger got Vino's blood in the mix up).

    Also testosterone is easily self administered. Slap a patch on your scrote and leave for a couple of hours. Blood transfusions need a doctor's and possibly team involvement.
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  • Moose11
    Moose11 Posts: 235
    To be fair there is every possibility that this was done by the rider alone with an outside dr. or even between him and the team dr. and went behind the teams back. The reason I think that is because of the protest at the start. Way to ironic. If the team knew about this surely they wouldn't have got into this protest at the start?

    Shame though but at least not a huge name. He wont be missed and good to see the system of testing is working. 3 riders in 2.5 weeks.
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  • Bronzie
    Bronzie Posts: 4,927
    I find this news, together with Sinkewitz's failed test, as more depressing and damaging than Vino.

    Everyone had suspicions about Vino and Astana in particular, so really it's no surprise.

    But guys testing positive on teams that ARE making some effort to fight doping is particularly damaging. You could argue that testosterone abuse is a level down from blood doping, as has been pointed out it can be self-administered and easy for the team not to know what was really going on, but in the eyes of the press and public, doping is doping.
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  • cabledonuts
    cabledonuts Posts: 121
    The thing that is starting to piss me off is how the riders are getting it in the neck for the doping. Ok they're doing it but where are they getting the products from? There has to be a supplier then someone has had to administer the product who is likely going to be a team doctor or personal doctor. There's a chain and the rider is the end of the chain. We don't seem to hear so much about any doctor/supplier being caught (aside from Fuentes obviously but that whole saga was pathetic with nobody charged ...well, apart from the riders again). It's a vicious circle. As long as there's demand then bent bastards will sell products to bent doctors but who is chasing these people? It's not just down to the riders to put in the effort to clean up cycling.
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  • richa
    richa Posts: 1,632
    edited July 2007
    According to 5Live:

    Cofidis have pulled out of the tour...

    Bad luck for Bradley :cry:
    Rich

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