New petition. Ban speedophiles.

Mister Paul · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by The Boss

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mister Paul

Have you ever had the experience of having to interview someone who has applied for a blue badge?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
No but you don't have to interview them to see whether they're disabled or not.
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Nope. You're wrong.
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Do you have any idea of the issues faced by disabled people?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Not being able to walk is an issue a lot of them face...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
That's a no then? Define disabled.
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Have you ever thought that such advantages may just allow the person to minimise the fatigue that may prevent them from functioning for the rest of the day?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
In the absence of the mention of a specific, real condition which some 'disabled' people may or may not have - it appears we have approacehd the nub of the matter: the fact that a lot of people have disabled badges because they are lazy.
'Fatigue has prevented me from functioning' is just a slightly more elegant way of saying 'I couldn't be bothered to do anything'.
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You're back into your buffoonery shop with that Bonjy. And you have a displayed ignorance of disability. Which is a shame.

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Flying_Monkey · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by The Boss

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Sorry, remind us again what your qualifications in medicine are...
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You don't need a qualification in medicine to tell whether someone's disabled or not. Christ, if every orange badge had to be approved by someone qualified in medicine - then every 1 in 3 people in the country would have to be qualified for all the resource you'd need, the amount there are!
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Yeah, right... have you ever heard of epilepsy, bonj?

They could skip and run right past you, but in general you'd rather if they were going to fit that it would be on in the shop or on a pavement, rather than whilst they were struggling across a busy car park full of selfish drivers looking after no.1...

That's just one example, there are many others... and yes, I do have some personal experience of dealing with epileptics before you ask.

Are you really so arrogant to think that your judgements in ignorance should be taken at all seriously as arguments by anyone else?

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety

Mister Paul · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by The Boss

When I think of these people with badges I imagine them to be like Keith in Eastenders. Most of them probably are.
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And you display your gross stupidity.

Download a blue badge application form from the internet and have a look at the process and criteria.

Able-bodied people can get hold of badges allocated to a disabled person you know bonj. Do you not realise that this is where the abuse comes in?

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Mister Paul · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by The Boss

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by The Boss

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mister Paul

Do you have any idea of the issues faced by disabled people?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Not being able to walk is an issue a lot of them face...
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Oh sorry, do you actually mean genuinely disabled people, or 'disabled' people? Because if the latter, the issues a lot of them face are being too fat and not having the motivation to get off their arse and do anything.
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I mean disabled people bonjy.

Are you a man, or a genuine man?

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The Bosscp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by rothbook

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> You don't need a qualification in medicine to tell whether someone's disabled or not.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Possibly not, but it takes rather more than watching someone walk across a supermarket car park.

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So what disability do you think they could have that means they need to park right near the entrance, but can still walk perfectly well?
Or should I say, looks like they can walk perfectly well?

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rothbook · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> So what disability do you think they could have that means they need to park right near the entrance, but can still walk perfectly well? <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Any of the ones I posted above.

Mister Paul · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by The Boss
Yet still they get an orange badge because they had an ingrowing toe-nail in 1973, <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Orange badges haven't been used for many years Bonjy.

You're not as observant as you think you are. Next time you see Keith from Eastenders skipping into Tesco -which he's no doubt borrowed from someone who is entitled to the badge (have a think abou that)- go and have a look at the colour of the badge in his windscreen.

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The Bosscp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by mangaman

So it's Ok for you to often park in the parent and child spaces (your words) when you like?

Don't you think that's a bit selfish (and lazy). Or are you unable to walk from slightly more distant spaces.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

No, because what does 'parent and child' mean? I don't recognise that as a valid element of highway code terminology. Although it's mostly abused, disabled status at least is in the highway code, and certifiable with an orange (or apparently, blue?) badge - 'parent and child' isn't. You can't have a 'parent and child' badge - it's just a ruse set up by the supermarkets to appear 'friendly' and 'caring' and 'family-orientated' in order to make more profit from people who think they're doing the exact opposite - doing something they don't need to do.
I don't understand what 'these spaces are parent and child spaces' means - 'parent and child' isn't an adjective.

Besides, a car park attendant or tesco's employee is no more qualified to judge whether or not I've got a child, than I am to judge whether someone's disabled or not.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Flying_Monkey

Seriously though, disabled spaces in supermarkets are nothing to do with the blue badge scheme. They are voluntary and have no legal status.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Ah but disabled status has legal recognition (even though it is often abused). Hence the orange badge system.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Flying_Monkey

Exactly like the parent and child spaces they are provided in the hope people will have the courtesy not to use them if they have the wherewithal to walk a few hundred yards from an ordinary space<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
When i go to tesco's it's normally quite late, like about 8 - 9pm, which is not the time when mothers go food shopping with their kids.

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Mister Paul · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by The Boss

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by rothbook

Blue Badge holders may use disabled parking spaces.

Blue Badge holders are often able to skip. Check for yourself.

You are blatantly trolling, cheeribye.
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What's the difference between a blue badge and an orange badge? Is it the same as the difference between a provisional driving licence and a full one - i.e. someone who's only 'provisionally' disabled?
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May I suggest that you do some research on the subject which you think that you know so much about?

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Mister Paul · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by The Boss

Ah but disabled status has legal recognition <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Wrong.

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The Bosscp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mister Paul

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by The Boss

you don't have to interview them to see whether they're disabled or not.
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Nope. You're wrong.
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Exactly - in Blair's britain, if you can walk perfectly well, but can also blag your way through a 'consultation' interview, then you can be signed off as disabled.
Can this 'interview' be done on the phone, or in multiple choice questions over the internet?

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mister Paul

Define disabled.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
A part of the body not functioning the way it should, usually (but possibly not always) referring to a permanent affliction of such nature.

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domd1979 · June 2007

Friend of my brother's has cystic fibrosis. To an outsider looks as though he can walk "perfectly well". However, because of his condition can't walk great distances. Am sure there's many other conditions that have similar effects.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by The Boss
So what disability do you think they could have that means they need to park right near the entrance, but can still walk perfectly well?
Or should I say, looks like they can walk perfectly well?
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mangaman · June 2007

Hi Boss

You seem to be attributing some of my observations to Flying Monkey!

If you care to read about the blue badge scheme
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/DisabledPeo ... DG_4001061

Note the paragraph on supermarkets

"Most disabled persons' parking bays in off-street car parks - for example, supermarket car parks - are not covered by Blue Badge scheme regulations.

Car parks and parking bays like these are likely to be privately owned and managed by the individual business. The agreement, and any cost to use them, will be between the owner and the motorists/customers.

If you are a disabled motorist (or passenger) and you complain to, for example, a supermarket that a non-disabled motorist has parked in a disabled bay, an employee of the store could ask the driver to move their car from the disabled bay but they will not be in a position to legally insist on it."

As I said they are just like the parent and child spaces (are you really sure you don't know what parent and child means). Voluntary and reliant on the goodwill of the customers

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The Bosscp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Flying_Monkey

Yeah, right... have you ever heard of epilepsy, bonj?

They could skip and run right past you, but in general you'd rather if they were going to fit that it would be on in the shop or on a pavement, rather than whilst they were struggling across a busy car park full of selfish drivers looking after no.1...
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I'd rather it be in the car park then when they've made it behind the wheel, driven off and are just approaching a junction!

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Flying_Monkey

That's just one example, there are many others... and yes, I do have some personal experience of dealing with epileptics before you ask.
Are you really so arrogant to think that your judgements in ignorance should be taken at all seriously as arguments by anyone else?
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If they've got epilepsy they shouldn't be driving in the first place!

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Mister Paul · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by The Boss

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mister Paul

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by The Boss

you don't have to interview them to see whether they're disabled or not.
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Nope. You're wrong.
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Exactly - in Blair's britain, if you can walk perfectly well, but can also blag your way through a 'consultation' interview, then you can be signed off as disabled.
Can this 'interview' be done on the phone, or in multiple choice questions over the internet?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

No. When I used to do them, we called applicants into the office. There are strict criteria which they have to meet. And if they don't, they don't get a badge.
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<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mister Paul

Define disabled.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
A part of the body not functioning the way it should, usually (but possibly not always) referring to a permanent affliction of such nature.
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So you can see that a disabled person may be able to skip then, going on your definition?

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The Bosscp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by rothbook

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> So what disability do you think they could have that means they need to park right near the entrance, but can still walk perfectly well? <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Any of the ones I posted above.

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I don't recall you posting any examples. Care to remind us where that post was, or did you delete it?

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Mister Paul · June 2007

Your learning opportunity for today Bonjy

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The Bosscp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mister Paul

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Ah but disabled status has legal recognition <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Wrong.
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So I can make myself an orange badge then, can I - just by getting some orange paper and writing 'bad toe' on it, and sticking it in my windscreen?

What I mean by 'carrying legal recognition' is you can be ticketed/clamped by parking enforcement officers if you park in a disabled space (which is properly marked out according to the highway code) and you haven't got an official disabled badge.

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Mister Paul · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by The Boss

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Flying_Monkey

Yeah, right... have you ever heard of epilepsy, bonj?

They could skip and run right past you, but in general you'd rather if they were going to fit that it would be on in the shop or on a pavement, rather than whilst they were struggling across a busy car park full of selfish drivers looking after no.1...
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I'd rather it be in the car park then when they've made it behind the wheel, driven off and are just approaching a junction!

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Flying_Monkey

That's just one example, there are many others... and yes, I do have some personal experience of dealing with epileptics before you ask.
Are you really so arrogant to think that your judgements in ignorance should be taken at all seriously as arguments by anyone else?
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If they've got epilepsy they shouldn't be driving in the first place!
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They can't.

And if someone else is driving them?

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The Bosscp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mister Paul

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Yet still they get an orange badge because they had an ingrowing toe-nail in 1973, <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Orange badges haven't been used for many years Bonjy.

You're not as observant as you think you are. Next time you see Keith from Eastenders skipping into Tesco -which he's no doubt borrowed from someone who is entitled to the badge (have a think abou that)- go and have a look at the colour of the badge in his windscreen.
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Ah so blue badges have superseded orange ones. Did you actually know that to start with, or did you just look it up?

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The Bosscp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by domd1979

Friend of my brother's has cystic fibrosis. To an outsider looks as though he can walk "perfectly well". However, because of his condition can't walk great distances. Am sure there's many other conditions that have similar effects.
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So how does he manage to walk round tesco's then, once he gets to the entrance? Most of the walking you do at the supermarket isn't across the carpark, it's round the aisles.

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domd1979 · June 2007

Wrong. Depends on the nature of the epilepsy.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by The Boss
If they've got epilepsy they shouldn't be driving in the first place!
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The Bosscp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by domd1979

Friend of my brother's has cystic fibrosis. To an outsider looks as though he can walk "perfectly well". However, because of his condition can't walk great distances. Am sure there's many other conditions that have similar effects.
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What does that affect/make you do then?

As an aside, a friend from school talked about a grandad he had, who could 'only drive once a day'. Is that a disability?

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Mister Paul · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by The Boss

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mister Paul

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Ah but disabled status has legal recognition <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Wrong.
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So I can make myself an orange badge then, can I - just by getting some orange paper and writing 'bad toe' on it, and sticking it in my windscreen?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

You can, and I hope that you will. Because the first time you try to use it you will get a ticket.

Orange badges have not been in existence for a long time.
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by The Boss

What I mean by 'carrying legal recognition' is you can be ticketed/clamped by parking enforcement officers if you park in a disabled space (which is properly marked out according to the highway code) and you haven't got an official disabled badge.
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So you meant something different to what you actually said. That's new.

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Mister Paul · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by The Boss

Ah so blue badges have superseded orange ones. Did you actually know that to start with, or did you just look it up?
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I knew.

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The Bosscp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by mangaman

If you are a disabled motorist (or passenger) and you complain to, for example, a supermarket that a non-disabled motorist has parked in a disabled bay, an employee of the store could ask the driver to move their car from the disabled bay but they will not be in a position to legally insist on it.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
They can legally insist that you leave, as it's their land. They have the right to ban you from their land should they choose, just in the same way that if someone invites you round their OWN house and you start mouthing off then they are perfectly legally entitled to ask you to leave.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by mangaman

As I said they are just like the parent and child spaces (are you really sure you don't know what parent and child means). Voluntary and reliant on the goodwill of the customers
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It's perfectly valid for a supermarket to borrow a part of the highway code to use in their own car park, but what I DON'T see as valid is to make up a completely new bit of it to expect the public to learn.

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domd1979 · June 2007

Why don't you type it into google and find out for yourself?

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by The Boss

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by domd1979

Friend of my brother's has cystic fibrosis. To an outsider looks as though he can walk "perfectly well". However, because of his condition can't walk great distances. Am sure there's many other conditions that have similar effects.
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What does that affect/make you do then?

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The Bosscp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mister Paul

When I used to do them [disabled interviews], we called applicants into the office. There are strict criteria which they have to meet. And if they don't, they don't get a badge.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Such as?

OK, let's just do a mock one, let's pretend I've applied for a badge and you've just called me into the office. What would you ask me.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mister Paul

So you can see that a disabled person may be able to skip then, going on your definition?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
A genuinenely disabled person won't, no.

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The Bosscp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mister Paul

Your learning opportunity for today Bonjy
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The Blue Badge Scheme gives parking concessions for people with severe walking difficulties <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Note that word, severe. That means people who really struggle to walk. These aren't the people that look like they can walk ok, but might have a bit of pain.

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who travel as either drivers or passengers, registered blind people and also people with severe upper limb disabilities who regularly drive a vehicle but cannot turn the steering wheel by hand.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
People who can't steer or who are blind shouldn't really be driving anyway, really - should they. Let's not forget we're talking about drivers here not just disabled people in general.

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domd1979 · June 2007

Since you're so obsessed with people's ability to traverse the vast aisles of a supermarket: Asda provide wheelchairs and electric scooters for their customers to use, and a customer doesn't necessarily need to walk round the store if that would be difficult for them.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by The Boss
Most of the walking you do at the supermarket isn't across the carpark, it's round the aisles.
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