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The Bosscp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mister Paul

To qualify for a disabled badge, the main condition is that you must be unable to walk more than 100m without experiencing significant pain. Which is why they are closer to the shops. Many disabled people can walk you know Bonjy. And they can also, amazingly, tell you whether they take sugar or not.
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Well they've all just walked at least 100 metres round tescos getting their shopping, and they don't look to be in any pain from that.
Don't forget there's a very buoyant market in knock-off disabled badges.

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The Bosscp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Tourist Tony

Don't forget, chaps, that Smith has made his opinion of the disabled abundantly clear. Baby Bonj is just following His Master's Voice.

Rothbook, I believe you may have an apposite quote from the grate man.....

If I had a stalker, I would hug it and kiss it and call it George...or Dick
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Care to elaboreate - what is His opinion on the disabled? Or should I already know *sigh*

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Mister Paul · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by The Boss

Care to elaboreate - what is His opinion on the disabled? Or should I already know *sigh*
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Smith said

Personally I don't see why disabled folk should get special treatment. If it goes on like this we'll just have to cripple everyone to bring them down to the level of the disabled - it's only fair.

and

I can't think of a good reason why a disabled driver is more entitled than anyone else to a town centre parking space. 

and not forgetting

What if I have? How much has to be wrong with my legs before I get a specially designated parking space? 

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Mister Paul · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by The Boss

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mister Paul

To qualify for a disabled badge, the main condition is that you must be unable to walk more than 100m without experiencing significant pain. Which is why they are closer to the shops. Many disabled people can walk you know Bonjy. And they can also, amazingly, tell you whether they take sugar or not.
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Well they've all just walked at least 100 metres round tescos getting their shopping, and they don't look to be in any pain from that.
Don't forget there's a very buoyant market in knock-off disabled badges.
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Again, you're mixing up genuine badge holders with abusers of the system.

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Tourist Tony · June 2007

Yes, you should. You are a member of his group.
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<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Tourist Tony

Don't forget, chaps, that Smith has made his opinion of the disabled abundantly clear. Baby Bonj is just following His Master's Voice.

Rothbook, I believe you may have an apposite quote from the grate man.....

If I had a stalker, I would hug it and kiss it and call it George...or Dick
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Care to elaboreate - what is His opinion on the disabled? Or should I already know *sigh*

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If I had a stalker, I would hug it and kiss it and call it George...or Dick

The Bosscp · June 2007

Genuinely disabled people should be more entitled to a parking space close to where they're going than non-disableds. The problem is that most of them AREN'T disabled.

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rothbook · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> The problem is that most of them AREN'T disabled. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

And your evidence for this is... what you saw in tescos car park!

We need more scientific surveys of this calibre.

Mister Paul · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by The Boss

Genuinely disabled people should be more entitled to a parking space close to where they're going than non-disableds. The problem is that most of them AREN'T disabled.
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There you go again with your generalisations.

What qualifies you to make these decisions Bonjy? Have you ever had the experience of having to interview someone who has applied for a blue badge? Do you have any idea of the issues faced by disabled people? Have you ever thought that such advantages may just allow the person to minimise the fatigue that may prevent them from functioning for the rest of the day?

BTW, what did you think of your Smithy's comments?

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pzycoman · June 2007

When I had surgery on my legs, I was offered a temp disabled badge (if i drove), mainly because I had 6 cuts through my legs that were stapled together, and they said parking close as possible to the shopping center etc would minimise the chances of me ripping out the staples, and needing to be rushed back into surgery, at the cost of thousands to the hospital (2 Anethiatists, 4 Surgeons, numerous nurses, and an operating room) - I could walk without too much trouble, so according to you, I shouldnt have been offered that, The Boss?

domd1979 · June 2007

The whole issue goes wider than disabled parking policy.

It is true that there is some abuse of the system of disabled badges - absolutely no doubt about it. Unfortunately that does detract from the fact there are some people who have a real need for them.

However, disabled parking/badges are only of any use to a minority of disabled people - something which is always overlooked. Most disabled people / those with limited mobility cannot drive and do not have access to a car. There is an appalling lack of funding for Ring and Ride or community based transport schemes which provide the only public transport that some disabled people can use. For instance in the West Mids, the average Ring and Ride user can only get one trip out per fortnight, and even then can only travel within a limited zone, simply because the service is so massively oversubscribed.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mister Paul

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by The Boss

Genuinely disabled people should be more entitled to a parking space close to where they're going than non-disableds. The problem is that most of them AREN'T disabled.
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There you go again with your generalisations.

What qualifies you to make these decisions Bonjy? Have you ever had the experience of having to interview someone who has applied for a blue badge? Do you have any idea of the issues faced by disabled people? Have you ever thought that such advantages may just allow the person to minimise the fatigue that may prevent them from functioning for the rest of the day?

BTW, what did you think of your Smithy's comments?

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The Bosscp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by rothbook

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> The problem is that most of them AREN'T disabled. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

And your evidence for this is... what you saw in tescos car park!

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Yes, what I saw in Tesco's car park. Well, more like see - present tense, not just what I saw once, but what I continue to see day after day, week after week. The disabled spaces are ALWAYS full - you don't mean to tell me there's that many disableds going to tesco's EVERY day.
And not just in Tesco's car park - other supermarkets, busy shopping areas in town, anywhere there's a disabled parking space, there's always a non-disabled walking quite healthily to or from their car which is parked there.
The disabled parking rights and badge system is the most abused system in the world.

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The Bosscp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mister Paul

There you go again with your generalisations.

What qualifies you to make these decisions Bonjy?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
It's not a decision - that would imply something's going to be done about it - it's just an observation really.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mister Paul

Have you ever had the experience of having to interview someone who has applied for a blue badge?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
No but you don't have to interview them to see whether they're disabled or not.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mister Paul

Do you have any idea of the issues faced by disabled people?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Not being able to walk is an issue a lot of them face...

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mister Paul

Have you ever thought that such advantages may just allow the person to minimise the fatigue that may prevent them from functioning for the rest of the day?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
In the absence of the mention of a specific, real condition which some 'disabled' people may or may not have - it appears we have approacehd the nub of the matter: the fact that a lot of people have disabled badges because they are lazy.
'Fatigue has prevented me from functioning' is just a slightly more elegant way of saying 'I couldn't be bothered to do anything'.

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The Bosscp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mister Paul

BTW, what did you think of your Smithy's comments?
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<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mister Paul

Smith said

Personally I don't see why disabled folk should get special treatment. If it goes on like this we'll just have to cripple everyone to bring them down to the level of the disabled - it's only fair.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Taking that literally (i.e. 'disabled' to mean 'genuinely disabled), I think he's wrong - genuinely disabled folk should get special treatment, but 'genuinely disabled folk' is a whole different thing to 'anyone with an orange badge'. I think he might have got confused between the two?

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I can't think of a good reason why a disabled driver is more entitled than anyone else to a town centre parking space. 
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As above.

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Smith said
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What if I have? How much has to be wrong with my legs before I get a specially designated parking space? 
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I don't see why you have to be declared disabled by a navel-gazing clipboard-wielding health-and-safety obsessed nanny-state brigade politcially correct busybody in order to 'be' disabled.
I've hurt my toe for instance, which means it's painful to walk unless I limp. I wouldn't dream of wasting the doctor's time with it, and if I applied for an orange badge it'd've probably gone better by the time they'd filled in the first ten thousand forms. But why shouldn't I with this condition have as much right to park in a disabled space as someone with a badge?

When I think of these people with badges I imagine them to be like Keith in Eastenders. Most of them probably are.

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rothbook · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> it's just an observation really.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Stop stating subjective opinion as fact.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> No but you don't have to interview them to see whether they're disabled or not.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

You're wasted here mate, get down your local hospital and offer your diagnostic services, they could use someone as uniquely talented as someone who claims to be able to discern disability by looking at someone!

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> the fact that a lot of people have disabled badges because they are lazy.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Stop posting unpleasant subjective opinion as fact.

The Bosscp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by The Boss

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mister Paul

Do you have any idea of the issues faced by disabled people?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Not being able to walk is an issue a lot of them face...
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Oh sorry, do you actually mean genuinely disabled people, or 'disabled' people? Because if the latter, the issues a lot of them face are being too fat and not having the motivation to get off their arse and do anything.

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rothbook · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> 'disabled' people? Because if the latter, the issues a lot of them face are being too fat and not having the motivation to get off their arse and do anything. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

And your evidence for this is?

Not the Tescos car park again? A man you know sod all about, but use to slag off disabled people...

The Bosscp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by rothbook

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> it's just an observation really.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Stop stating subjective opinion as fact.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
What I've seen with my own eyes isn't opinion. There's a difference between an opinion that I've made up, and an event that I've witnessed. It's not opinion whether someone is disabled or not, a lot of them clearly aren't.

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You're wasted here mate, get down your local hospital and offer your diagnostic services, they could use someone as uniquely talented as someone who claims to be able to discern disability by looking at someone!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
So if you see someone walking and skipping along, that doesn't necessarily mean that they can walk. Right, I see.

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The Bosscp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by rothbook

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> 'disabled' people? Because if the latter, the issues a lot of them face are being too fat and not having the motivation to get off their arse and do anything. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

And your evidence for this is?

Not the Tescos car park again? A man you know sod all about, but use to slag off disabled people...
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The problem is a lot of people decide that disabled status would be a nice thing to have, and then set out to obtain it - by whatever method is necessary.

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rothbook · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> So if you see someone walking and skipping along, that doesn't necessarily mean that they can walk. Right, I see. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

You think the only possible disability is the inability to skip?

You are a dullard, a scoffing cocoa shunter, a brain dead mimsy nuzzler and an unregulated buffoon who regularly shakes hands with the Frenchman.

You are a malcontent, a Kleenex soiler and a moral pygmy.

You are a scrafulous buffoon, a turgid bottom feeder and an unrestrained @rsewit.

I bid you good day sir.

Flying_Monkey · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by The Boss

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by rothbook

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> it's just an observation really.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Stop stating subjective opinion as fact.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
What I've seen with my own eyes isn't opinion. There's a difference between an opinion that I've made up, and an event that I've witnessed. It's not opinion whether someone is disabled or not, a lot of them clearly aren't.
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What is entirely subjective is the generalisation from the incidents you claim to have witnessed. You continually do this and seem to have no conception of what you are doing wrong. You also have no idea what someone's disability might be. Just because they can walk a short distance doesn't mean they aren't disabled. And finally, you really have no idea how to assess what you are seeing in this context. I'd really love to see how you stood up to cross-examination on the subject in a courtroom...

I used to think you were just ignorant, but now I am beginning to wonder whether you are actually actively unpleasant. Your arguments are pathetic, mean-spirited, ignorant, nasty and above all, wrong.

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety

The Bosscp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by rothbook

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> So if you see someone walking and skipping along, that doesn't necessarily mean that they can walk. Right, I see. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

You think the only possible disability is the inability to skip?
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No but if you're a driver who's ABLE to skip, then it pretty much excludes from most possible disabilities that are worthy of you having a parking space near the store entrance.
Let's face it, it you can walk normally, skip, run after your chav kids when they're running off, as most of these people can, then there's nothing wrong with your legs. Yet still they get an orange badge because they had an ingrowing toe-nail in 1973, or because they've been to the doctor claiming to feel 'lethargic' all the time and since it's politcally incorrect to tell people to pull their socks up and get on with it they've been diagnosed with some posh-sounding condition with a double-barrel name and ending in '-syndrome', and declared 'disabled'.
The sydrome inventors can hardly keep up - new ones keep having to be invented to satisfy the ever growing rise in hypochondriacs looking for an easy life.

rothbook · June 2007

Blue Badge holders may use disabled parking spaces.

Blue Badge holders are often able to skip. Check for yourself.

You are blatantly trolling, cheeribye.

Flying_Monkey · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by The Boss
Yet still they get an orange badge because they had an ingrowing toe-nail in 1973, or because they've been to the doctor claiming to feel 'lethargic' all the time and since it's politcally incorrect to tell people to pull their socks up and get on with it they've been diagnosed with some posh-sounding condition with a double-barrel name and ending in '-syndrome', and declared 'disabled'.
The sydrome inventors can hardly keep up - new ones keep having to be invented to satisfy the ever growing rise in hypochondriacs looking for an easy life.
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Sorry, remind us again what your qualifications in medicine are...

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mangaman · June 2007

Boss

Have you got a baby with you when you got to tescos?

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The Bosscp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Flying_Monkey

What is entirely subjective is the generalisation from the incidents you claim to have witnessed.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Granted, it is only my personal experience I'm talking from. But the only reason I say it with any sort of conviction is that if it was one incident, then I could understand it. But it's not, it's all the time, all over the place. It's not as if it's JUST tesco's, or only ever happens at night, or in the morning, or outside a school, or whatever. It's wherever there's disabled places, you see perfectly able-bodied people going to them.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Flying_Monkey

You continually do this and seem to have no conception of what you are doing wrong. You also have no idea what someone's disability might be. Just because they can walk a short distance doesn't mean they aren't disabled.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
It's how WELL they can walk. People who can't walk very well because they're disabled don't usually stride along briskly, carrying shopping bags that they could be using a trolley for, standing upright when they could be haunched over, and not using any form of walking aid. I'm sorry but these people AREN'T disabled. Fact.
Sure, there are other disabilities that people can have that you can't tell by looking at them. Such as blindness. Epilepsy. But most of these normally preclude them from driving in the first place. The only disabilities that you could have and still be able to drive, that would warrant you having an orange badge, are ones that affect your ability to walk.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Flying_Monkey

And finally, you really have no idea how to assess what you are seeing in this context. I'd really love to see how you stood up to cross-examination on the subject in a courtroom...
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Well you'll have to whistle, won't you, because it isn't a courtroom.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Flying_Monkey

I used to think you were just ignorant, but now I am beginning to wonder whether you are actually actively unpleasant. Your arguments are pathetic, mean-spirited, ignorant, nasty and above all, wrong.
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Don't call me unpleasant - I'm not the reason they're disabled. I help the genuinely disabled if I see them struggling.

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The Bosscp · June 2007

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Blue Badge holders may use disabled parking spaces.

Blue Badge holders are often able to skip. Check for yourself.

You are blatantly trolling, cheeribye.
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What's the difference between a blue badge and an orange badge? Is it the same as the difference between a provisional driving licence and a full one - i.e. someone who's only 'provisionally' disabled?

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The Bosscp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by mangaman

Boss

Have you got a baby with you when you got to tescos?
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No...

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The Bosscp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Flying_Monkey

Sorry, remind us again what your qualifications in medicine are...
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You don't need a qualification in medicine to tell whether someone's disabled or not. Christ, if every orange badge had to be approved by someone qualified in medicine - then every 1 in 3 people in the country would have to be qualified for all the resource you'd need, the amount there are!

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rothbook · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> You don't need a qualification in medicine to tell whether someone's disabled or not.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Possibly not, but it takes rather more than watching someone walk across a supermarket car park.

mangaman · June 2007

So it's Ok for you to often park in the parent and child spaces (your words) when you like?

Don't you think that's a bit selfish (and lazy). Or are you unable to walk from slightly more distant spaces.
Maybe you should apply for a disabled badge if you need to park near the store

Seriously though, disabled spaces in supermarkets are nothing to do with the blue badge scheme. They are voluntary and have no legal status.

Exactly like the parent and child spaces they are provided in the hope people will have the courtesy not to use them if they have the wherewithal to walk a few hundred yards from an ordinary space

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