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Lol it's an offensive false equivalence you made 😂
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I think if, say, Tony Blair, had said that Scottish Catholics were his ethnic enemies and that's why he didn't like to be called Scottish, and was glad to escape to England, you'd be somewhat critical.
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He, like Badenoch, is British though.
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Not to mention that he also became Catholic.
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For anyone who hasn't had their sense of humour surgically removed, it's also not an equivalence I actually made.
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I think we're struggling to find easy equivalents that we can relate to because there aren't any.
A more relevant example might be Greek and Turkish Cypriots. A few years back a British/Greek Cypriot friend invited us to her daughter's christening. At the meal afterwards, her father, after a couple of drinks launched into a bit of a rant about exactly what he thought of the Turks (from experience). Those aren't views that my friend shares (at least not as openly) but 'ethnic enemies' would still be a pretty accurate description albeit in a historic sense. I think that's the sense in which Badenoch used that phrase, but I might be wrong.
You can argue that people should speak more carefully in public, and in general I'd agree, but I think there's also a tendency for people to go looking for the worst possible interpretation.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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there's also a tendency for people to go looking for the worst possible interpretation.
Particularly if you are a trumpet player called Brian and are thinking about Conservative MPs
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If we're putting together a list of people who should be careful when speaking in public, leader of the opposition is right up there surely?
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Sure. But I'm not sure pretending that the rivalry between Yoruba and Igbo doesn't exist is to anyone's benefit.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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So we'd rather she didn't correct people when they mis-characterise her?
People often complain that politicians speak in bland platitudes, carefully crafted to not upset anyone, but we don't seem to want to hear more unvarnished thoughts either.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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They're different people though. The small group who find her language offensive in this example is enough to create a twitter storm and a few Guardian opinion pieces. I suspect there is a much larger group who actually like her bluntness.
That said, "historic rivals" might have been a better description.
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I don't think anyone here is asking for that.
Having said that, one of the reasons I see argued against asylum seekers/refugees is that they don't necessarily leave their grievances behind with them. Which is understandable, but not necessarily desirable.
I guess ideally she'd have said she was British and left it at that. But at the same time I concede that speaking in bland platitudes is not 100% desirable.
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She's got foot in mouth disease, that's the issue, and she will continue to blunderingly offend people. Hard to tell if she means it or not, but past a certain point it won't matter.
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TBF KB is the most irrelevant leader of the opposition in nearly (without looking it up) 100 years, so she can put both feet in her mouth. Labour’s main opposition will come from within.
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Harsh on Ian Duncan Smith that.
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What about Michael Howard?
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He at least lost an election.
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It appears that Badenoch is going to try to sell a flat income tax rate (or for most taxpayers a tax rise) as a differentiating policy.
What's that line about first learning to count?
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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She's obviously a follower of @surrey_commuter, but I suspect she's not got to the bit where there are no exemptions or dodges, so 20% means 20% on everything. In essence, it sounds like Trump's massive give-away to the already richest.
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It is a superficially appealing concept I've heard before. The only way to make it work would be to set the flat rate at 35% or something like that, which would not really fix much of the tax evasion issue at the top end (because it's still a lot) and would massively increase the tax burden for the majority of earners.
To fix that, you could have lower rates for lower earners, and higher rates... Oh.
Now she's come up with a new idea that's already been tried and failed before, can we go back to the discussion about whether it is nice for elected leaders to be intelligent?
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The 2024 Conservative voters answer to Q3 is at odds with their answers to Q1 & Q2. 🤔
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I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
What is your name?
What is your favourite colour?
What is the average weight of an African swallow?
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Surely the average weight of an African swallow varies depending on the dimensions of the mouth and throat?
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I was thinking more about the size of the coconuts.
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Maybe they don't think the role of a Conservative leader is to be ready to govern and become PM!
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To be fair, the headline is doing that poll thing where they assume 'don't know' answers go into one of the other two categories. After a few more months they may all fall into the category of thinking they / she are ready. It's a bit of a pet hate of mine with polls (the same when people assign those that didn't vote into one camp or the other).
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Thing is that no matter how silly his "justifications" are, at least one other person had to say "Yeah, okay.".
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I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0