BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Judicial Review dismissed. Tomorrow the NI Assembly will vote to retain the Protocol for 4 years. Every Unionist will vote against, but they no longer have the numbers
It will however trigger a review into the operation of the Protocol which a cynic would expect to recommend closer links to Europe
On that note. This is bubbling away too
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
I wish it was. It didn't work last time, and it won't work now, even if they have brushed their hair and said a few nice things about German cuisine.
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A prize to whoever can be bothered to look back 2000 pages on this thread and find the first post that says Brexit would always be incompatible with the GFI.
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I was talking about the religious four freedoms commentary.
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Never have so many straws been sacrificed in vain.
It would be good to reduce trade barriers without having to give the other party a say in how we run our country. As I've said before, if the EU had just stuck to being a trading bloc, we'd still be in it.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
There is no trade agreement that doesn't involve a certain amount of 'letting the other people say how we run our country'. That is the nature of any treaty: both parties agree to something the other party wants. After that it's just a question of degree. There's no neat boundary between trade and other law.
There will always be a tension between the benefits of having a common set of rules over the whole of the treaty area versus the wish of individual states to set slightly different rules. This is no different in the EU than in large federal states like the US, Canada or Brazil
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Reminds me of the joke about money, prostitution and negotiations.
I guess we all know who has the money in the current negotiations.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Question of degree - no other trade agreement to my knowledge requires participants to give up the degree of decision making that the EU does.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
What negotiations are these?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Yes, obviously it's approaching a full federal structure. I do find it interesting that a lot of the people who are generally anti this level of inter-state integration don't have any issue at all with the US. Mind you, there are also nutters who think that the US states are too closely integrated.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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The European states are all culturally quite different, have very different, though intertwined histories, and have their own languages. None of that applies to the US.
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Really? Maybe they share US English, but I think you might find quite a cultural divergence between the East Coast cities and Wyoming (for example)... probably rather wider than in the EU.
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The US is a collection of the former colonies of the Netherlands Britain, France, Russia and Spain with a big pile of immigration from Germany, Scandinavia and Ireland, so I don't think 'cultural differences' comes close to explaining it.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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And that's only the colonisers...
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I feel more culturally aligned with Europe than the US . . . if that means anything
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Fundamentally Stevo is correct here.
The EU27 want to agree common rules to be one single market
You may not share the view, but the UK decided not to do that anymore
Also, the EU27 have no interest in doing anything different to accommodate Britain
The bigger problem, for those on the other side of the argument, which may include Starmer, is that Labour have done absolutely nothing to prepare the ground to make the argument for following EU rules.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!1 -
And therein lies the problem for anyone campaigning to rejoin. Good luck trying to sell a United States of Europe. Of course people have no issue with inter state integration in the USA, it is up to the American people, just like the decision to say "Thanks but no thanks" to a fuller federal structure was up to the British people.
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Like Greece and say Denmark sharing a cultural history?
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Weren't the Vikings travelling to bits of what is now modern day Greece before USA was a twinkle in the eyes of the founding fathers?
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I think they were hanging out in Turkey as they paid more.
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They may well have been but not many people travel to Greece to marvel at the Viking culture do they? Nor do tourists pour into Scandinavia to study Greek culture as Brian would have us believe.
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Doesn't seem to be at all what Brian is saying but hey ho.
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He claimed a rather wider cultural divergence in US states than within the EU. I think the Danes and Greeks may say that's bollocks.
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They might say it's bollocks, but it wouldn't actually make them correct.
I think the more general point is that people overestimate how similar America is, and underplay how similar Europe is. I don't think it's true to quite the extent Brian does.
I'd also say the cultural difference between North and South Italy is probably getting on for the differences between much of North and South Europe.
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All Unionists against
All Nationalist/Other for
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
The proposed extradition of the murder suspect between states is a good reminder of the set-up there.
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Are you trying to say they don't?
Obviously not everything, but culturally, quite a lot.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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I was highlighting the absurdity of Brian's statement that there's a rather wider cultural difference between US states than within the EU, as you well know.
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