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Fair play to Rayner, she left school with more kids than GCSEs but still managed to become deputy leader of the Labour Party. Don't know if that says more about her or the party.😉
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In the Kingdom of the Blind...
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Not at all. Boris was very bright but an outlier due to other pathological issues. Rishi also quite smart I think. Starmer very capable. More palatable? Time will tell.
But the Tories have elected two absolute peak Dunning Krugers as leader in fairly quick succession. And the entire leadership campaign was populated with them as far as I could see.
It's the gap between actual and perceived capability that's the issue I am driving at, because that's so dangerous. Also seems to be a prerequisite to be a Tory MP.
I agree with people who say they'd prefer less smart but more modest and self aware people. However even better would be to have both capability and modesty.
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Truss graduated from the same course as Johnson. While nobody seems to be able to find what class of degree she had, I think it's pretty obvious that she was academically bright, and unless she's suffered some undisclosed blow to the head, still is. History shows that reckless over confidence is fairly evenly distributed across the political spectrum, but the main point is that the entire parliamentary system rewards and promotes overconfident ambition.
Everyone screws up from time to time but in a system that promotes the biggest risk takers, the screw-ups will be more spectacular. If you want careful and cautious people running the country then you need a completely different system. Minimum exam grades are not going to do that especially when these can be bought relatively easily.
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I'm not convinced that academically bright is all that good a measure either. I have told the anecdote of the genius level straight A's guy I grew up with before. Thick as pig shit when it came to normal common sense practical things.
Picture Sheldon from Big Bang Theory.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Agree.
Way back when, doing ski seasons, we had the then Chief Economic adviser to the Treasury and his family stay with us. All were incredibly bright academically, but barely an ounce of common sense or practicality amongst them. You really wouldn't want people like them in a decision making role.
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That's just a lazy stereotype. In my experience there are a lot of academically bright people who are also annoyingly good at lots of other things.
Truss got a Desmond, I thought.
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Controversial opinion alert. From what I've seen so far, Badenoch is more interesting than many previous leaders and reminds me more of Thatcher than her predecessors. That said, I haven't seen much of her.
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I think it's not by accident that ex military people have been relatively successful politicians. There are similar requirements for leadership and decision making skills.
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I am not saying that all academically bright people are thick. It is true that they can be both but just that it is not a guarantee of good decision making in the real world. I judge people by their actions and past record, not claims or certificates.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Her comments on autism are pretty indicative of the sort of person she is likely to show herself to be.
Mind you, my family personally suffered from Thatcher's treatment of disabled people (i.e. she didn't give enough of a shit to fund much more than Romanian orphan level care for my brother), and so I guess that there are indeed parallels.
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I don't think she wrote it, but rather endorsed a Conservative publication which contained words about mental health. Nonetheless, it's possible to disagree with the conclusion whilst being interested in the discussion.
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I think she was the one that the lefties least wanted to be new leader of the opposition, hence some of the disparaging comments about her on here.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
They were also disappointed because they couldn't trot out the usual lazy "racist" jibe so resorted to calling her "The most prominent member of white supremacy’s black collaborator class’. She’s the chief representative of ‘white supremacy in black face."
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I think she's a good counterpoint to anyone left leaning who thought the culture war bollocks would be sorted out by having STEM graduates in positions of power.
Beyond that it kind of feels like a lot of people have already decided she's basically the caretaker manager and will likely not last until the next election.
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I suspect she is a big fan of Sewell report (something I also found interesting) which was dismissed by many for simply being wrong.
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Dawn Butler MP retweeted the
racist jokesatirical reflection on Badenoch's imminent leadership win.0 -
Aah, ok, that's a pretty stupid thing to do. I thought it was someone on here, but I'd missed it if so.
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I don't think that's true. In all respects she's pretty much middle of the pack of the candidates. Jenrick would have made a worse PM, and Cleverly a better opposition leader. I don't think she's as bad for the Conservatives as Jenrick would have been, he would truly have lost everything to Farage. She's got half a chance of salvaging something from the wreckage, if she even wants to try.
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The imaginary horde of nameless lefties that follow Stevo everywhere.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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I don't think there are enough votes for liberal small state policies, so Labour shouldn't have much to fear, but then I'm not sure Thatcher was initially very popular either.
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What like the ones that try to argue with most of the posts I make in Cake Stop? 😉
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Small state tax is popular, small state state, less so.
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If you think it was me, you can just say so.
I argue with you because your support of among other things, state subsidies for manufacturing and farming, and state control of land use (planning) are completely at odds with your claimed political views.
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I think there are a lot of votes out there for a very restricted set of deep cuts, which won't actually achieve any meaningful decrease in spending. These can then be sold as reasons for tax cuts.
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so stevo's a leftie? it all makes sense now
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I guess your ears were burning 😉
You've also developed a Chasey-esque ability to misunderstand and misrepresent my views. You are developing into the new RC quite nicely 🙂
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I'm sure a budget with spurious savings from a "cut the woke crap" policy would be quite popular.
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