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Labour shouldn't be smirking. The Tories seem to be calculating (or gambling, or desperately hoping) that it is best for them to occupy the populist identity politics far right, and sniff out Reform.
They could be correct.
Or they could be wrong and bail out later in the term if the numpty vote is still looking like it will be split.
Anyhow, this leadership election is a shot to nothing. They can't fall much further and have ample time to change course if needed.
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Lefties and centre lefties with chips on their shoulders? Seem to recall Rick voted Labour tactically.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Oh, I dunno. Labour are screwing it up big time and they've only been in 3 months. There was no great enthusiasm for them I the first place and it's all been downhill since the election. Imagine what it'll be like by time the next GE comes around. And they haven't even hit us with the budget yet.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
It has been a pretty dour start, that's for sure. I guess the labour strategist interview process was flawed and appointed this guy....
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Thatcher was deeply unpopular among her own cabinet in 1982 and people thought she wouldn't last until the next election until Argentina invaded the Falklands. You're counting chickens before the eggs have even been laid.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Well I'm sure that if some territorial dispute comes up then Keir will prove his mettle by giving it away 🙂 Again...
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Well you might have seen there's a minor disagreement in north eastern Europe and another little discord in the middle east, so you may get your wish if either of them escalate or coalesce.
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Is this yet another thing already under way before July that you've suddenly decided is the worst thing ever now it's got a red sticker on it?
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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He just gave away the Chagos Islands. Good start.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Who gave the Chagos Islands away?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Seems a bit like the negotiations with the unions, where the Tories were negotiating then Labour came along and capitulated. I'm struggling to see how Starmer is ruthless - spineless, more like.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
What were the Tories negotiating about exactly?
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That's just about as stupid as blaming Joe Biden for a hurricaine.
Incidentally, can you give me a rational argument for the UKs claim on an Indian Ocean coral atoll?
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Trust me, this was in motion WAY before the election. Way before.
Wilier Izoard XP0 -
Sovereignty innit!
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This highlights a key point though, Labour in power has all been downhill because you vote Conservative. For a Labour voter, bringing strikes to an end is a good thing, handing back the Chagos Islands to their rightful owners is a good thing, the proposed Employment Bill is a good thing. From a pure policy perspective, whether you feel the govts decisions so far are positive or negative is going to be determined by your political leanings.
I have said on other threads, the donations/expenses thing was a massive cock up. Sue Gray was a complete non-story that labour got totally outplayed on by the right wing media. Both of these things though highlight one key thing, Labour have not got to grips with the right wing press yet and are being outmaneuvered by them in many areas which is undoubtedly having a negative effect on public perception.
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I'm not sure Mauritius has that great a claim either. It would have been better to try to establish some sort of self-determination vote amongst the descendents, but world politics doesn't work like that.
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Disagree, to the extent that Mauritius is the closest country. Most of the population were also exiled there, or to the Seychelles. The islands were also associated with Mauritius under the French.
How far back do you want to go?
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It could certainly be an option in the vote.
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What vote? Bearing in mind we are all descended from royalty, how Chagosian do you need to be?
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The Chagossians have not really been involved in any of the past negotiations and, I think, are not scheduled to be in any of the future ones which seems very poor from.
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Quite. The UK has just made it Mauritius's problem and they'll behave like most of the world when it comes to self-determination.
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My hypothetical one that didn't take place.
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Who are Chagossians? It's complicated.
"The Chagos Islands had been home to the Chagossians from the 1700s brought as slaves by the French from Africa and India, a Bourbonnais Creole-speaking people, until the United Kingdom expelled them from the archipelago at the request of the United States between 1967 and 1973 to allow the United States to build Naval Support Facility Diego Garcia, a military base on Diego Garcia, on land leased from the UK military in the British Indian Ocean Territories. Since 1971, only the atoll of Diego Garcia has been inhabited, and only by employees of the US military, including American civilian contracted personnel. Since being expelled, Chagossians, like all others not permitted by the UK or US governments, have been prevented from entering the islands."
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
The whole place is very complicated!
I know someone who is very involved with all of this. One of the main concerns they have of the transition is that the ocean around the Chagos Islands is one of the largest (perhaps the largest) pristine marine environments on earth. The fear is that fishing rights will gradually be granted by Mauritius (first for tuna and then for more coastal fish) thus diminishing the whole ecosystem which will be further eroded once the smaller islands are sold to high net worth individuals (think Branson and Necker) and the larger ones for "Sandals" or similar style resorts.
There is also the tricky issue of a number of Sri Lankan asylum seekers who have been stuck in DG for ages.
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It's complicated. No shit. And international lawyers have thought about it a lot, and other international lawyers seem to agree. But the Cake Stop knows best.
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If you're going down that route, are you also going to propose giving up all British territories that are not reachable by land? E.g. Isle of Wight, Jersey etc
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Not necessarily. I'm sure quite a few people on zero hours contracts are Labour voters, for example.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Give them to France?
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Or we could play rock paper scissors.
Or stop being silly, and realise that James Cleverly that famous not Labor politician agreed the handover.
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