BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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I haven't done any research on the subject, but services are not really covered by the EU. I suspect, in part, it is because covid has helped the transition to virtual work, so it is easier to export.
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OK, thanks. As ever, often hard to distinguish effect from coincidence... having said that, if there were burdensome regulations that had been repealed, that would be at least a plausible cause & effect.
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Are the EU sending us subliminal messages now that Starmer is trying to cosy up to them? 😊
Seems quite appropriate somehow...
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I'm only posting this as it updates Stevo's oft-quoted graphic about all the levels of integration, but this time with straight lines and right angles, not wibbly-wobbly bendy lines.
Well, there might be another reason too...
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Quite handy.
Unfortunately for Starmer the EU position is likely to be along these lines:
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Quite possibly, even if Starmer has hopes which he's not dared to express. Probably better that way round than expressing bold public aspirations then being slapped down.
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Well Starmer is clearly less effective than Boris "Fuxk business" Johnson.
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Looking at the chart above there does seem to be a fair bit of cherry picking and has been for some time.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Who is asking for anything back?
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Is Starmer proposing anything?
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I admire your tenacity, but I've exhausted most hypothetical Brexit discussions now.
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The UK relationship with the EU is far from hypothetical, whatever status it currently is in, given we are neighbours and rely on a lot of trade with them. Although I'm not party to Starmer's thinking, I doubt if how it evolves will be left wholly to chance.
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The current relationship is real, but rejoining is hypothetical. Starmer will be able to do no more than fiddle around the edges without reneging on the Labour commitments that we will not rejoin the EU, the sinlgle market, the customs union, or return to freedom of movement.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
True status of where we are
Brexit as sold will never be achieved.
We will never rejoin on a deal anywhere close to what we had.
Leaving was stupid.
Prime example of why referendums are a stupid idea in the first place.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Even if re-joining is hypothetical or remote, that's no excuse for not constantly working at the relationship between the UK & the EU. Detoxifying the relationship is a good start, but it's only a start. Whether people like it or not, the EU is still on our doorstep, and is a big economic bloc with whom it would be helpful to maximise trade within whatever arrangements we have with them, and to look at those arrangements where helpful.
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Pretty sure your chart is incorrect Brian. Just come back from Croatia, and they use the euro
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I'll see if I can find the Statista source and ask if they'll correct it.
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It might be a recently superseded graphic... I see Croatia only switched to the Euro in 2023.
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OK, so fiddling around the edges it is then.
Although specifically, what aspects of the relationship need 'detoxifying' in your view? Clearly we don't see eye to eye with Macron, but he's always been a d1ck on Brexit and he'll be history soon.
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Distrust of a once-trustworthy nation caused by a load of wankers who thought that Cake & Eat It was a fully worked-out policy document. (See the photo of Barnier and Davis at their first face-to-face.)
Or would you prefer the less kind version? Perhaps the quote from Truss about not being sure if the French were friends or foe?
Tinkering around the edges to improve the relationship is fine for now, after what went before.
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Truss was tactless but it was a fair comment about Macron's attitude IMO.
Happy for a spot of tinkering around the edges as long as Starmer isn't naive/stupid enough to get sucked back into the EU Tractor Beam as a price for minor changes.
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Next you'll be saying that the EU really were grateful for Brexit, and loved working with the Tory government.
You don't have to love the EU or the French to recognise that they aren't foes, even if they did get exasperated with the hopeless and dishonest government of Johnson.
Incidentally...
Weird why such a great idea would increase inflation.
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And in the meantime, here's another example of the EU regulating itself into the economic slow lane.
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Wow, Telegraph finds something to bash the EU with. How novel.
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especially given that the actions the eu took so far were all pro-consumer, pro-privacy and increased choice
which apple hates, as it chips away at it's monopolistic practices, hence cook's posturing for the fanboys and the gullible
notice that palantir are also moaning, because they want to profit from your nhs data, johnson and co. first sold out the uk to them during covid, his successors continued the job...
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In theory the EU should be well placed to combat tech companies; however, it is hard to look at the current status quo and think they've been successful. Although they have won the wholly unnecessary USB-C battle.
Also, the EU rubber stamped Microsoft's takeover over of Activision Blizzard which the UKCMA managed to get reformed.
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It may be from the Telegraph but it makes a valid point. Tell me this: Out of the big Tech Companies (Apple, Google, Meta, Microsoft, Nvidia etc) around the world, which ones originated in the EU?
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