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A couple of senior Reform people are from ethnic minorities so don't be so sure about that. In the end the best choice is whoever gives us the best chance of booting the lefties out as soon as possible. My gut feel is that Badenoch is the right one for the job.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
It would be nice if you (or anyone) could articulate an approach that was deeper than "booting lefties out". You might take it as trolling, but I genuinely don't know what the Tory Party stands for any more, based on their record of the past ten years. Without disowning that high high-tax-for-worse-service record (along with all the law breaking), it's going to be hard job. As we saw with Starmer's noting Badenoch's previous support for ending the winter fuel payment, Labour have got a lot of ammunition to counter all the present candidates. The only one who had previously kept his hands clean (Tugendhat) has gone down the Reform route of saying black is white.
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Having scrolled through 121 Tory members of parliament to see who I would chose, I have come to the conclusion that Sunak is the best 🤨
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I've never understood why everyone thinks Badenoch is so great. People say she's direct and forthright but it just comes across as shouty insecurity to me. The David Tenant thing being a case in point.
She does support means testing WFA, though so probably won't get the pensioner vote. Which is tricky for a pensioner party (notwithstanding Stevo, obviously).
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Meh, depends if the conservatives can stop the age at which people turn right wing from continuing to increase... otherwise time is not their friend.
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I think it's a little bit that she's the best of a bad bunch.
She also seems relatively genuine in her beliefs, compared to Sunak, who seemed to have got caught endlessly failing to appeal to a populist part of the party that he had no real love for.
She also appears less unhinged than Braverman.
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Defeating Labour in a future GE is pretty clear objective and most people will understand what that might mean whether they agree with it or not. Why does that require some sort of 'deeper approach'?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Weren't you bemoaning the lack of labour policies a couple of months ago?
Apply the same logic from the other side.
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I love the way a lot of Cake Stoppers assume that people with different political views from their own are 'unhinged'.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]2 -
I presume you are including your good self in that quote.😏
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You might care to reflect that that tactic (of having no policies and just trying to find culture wars stuff) of trying to win with no underlying beliefs or discernable policies for improving the lot of the average voter is why they got right royally stuffed. It's a million miles away from the Thatcher phenomenon: she was both loved and hated because of her deeply-held convictions and her ability to turn those into policy.
I've said it many times before, but I'm actually trying to help you and the Tory Party here. "Beating Labour" should be the result of having good policies that people believe will help the UK and themselves, not a goal in itself.
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This is not accurate. She supported meas testing two years ago, but now Labour did it, she opposes it.
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You say that, but it would appear that Labour are just starting starting to make up policy as they go along despite having had 14 years in opposition to think of them.
Maybe wait until they've ****ed things up more and see how you feel?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I do like how everyone thinks their views are centrist.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
OK, that's what they need to do, but it's just the means to an end. I'm not clear what that end is. They seem to have lost interest in small business - which is a big constituency looking for a political home - and seem to be at least as interested in state intervention - socially and economically - as Labour. I hope they change direction but I don't see anything to give me much clue what that direction will be.
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Nope.
How about you?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Sure. Let's start with five years and their 170-seat majority, though I promise I'll start sniping from the sidelines if they do stuff I don't like.
The Tory Party are going to have to do a lot more than chant "Win, win win!" to themselves to win an election. If that tactic were successful, Torquay United could win the Premiership, if they chanted it enough.
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Meh happy for people to have all kinds of political beliefs. I just think anyone blaming the previous electoral result on "transgender ideology" is frankly nuts.
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All they need to is still to the traditional Tory principles such low tax, pro business, small state, pro freedom of choice and personal responsibility - you know, everything everything that Labour is against, then they will have plenty of time to refine the policies in the meantime.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Who is doing that?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Maybe so, but they are going to have to explain why they failed on just about every metric of that over 14 years with a majority of, what was it, 80 seats? This is not the party of Thatcher, whichever way you look at it.
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Are those not principles that you subscribe to?
Anyhow, I have a feeling that Badenoch is the closest thing to the legendary Mrs. T, which is why the lefties don't want her to win.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Isn't it only Badenoch who says that she's the one Labour fears?
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No, it’s Badenoch and Stevo.
I can’t believe any self-respecting Tory would compare her (or any of the current crop) to Thatcher.
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I suspect the Telegraph is too.
I doubt if Starmer is quaking in his boots.
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Braverman, who blamed the election loss on, high immigration, high taxes and transgender ideology.
So the first, something that she was responsible for as home secretary.
The second, something that is unfortunately pretty unavoidable post covid.
And the third something that is just nuts.
Hence me considering her unhinged, in a way that I don't for many other conservatives.
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Jeez, let go of the nostalgia. No wonder it's mostly pensioners that vote Conservative. If 'I'm not afraid of Doctor Who' is the closest they have to being pro-business they're more screwed than I thought. She was literally the Business Secretary during the period when the party DGAF about business
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Anyone who can live rent free inside lefties' head for years after she has died is a legend 😉
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I get where you're coming from. There will always be the odd individual who could be described like that at either end of the political spectrum (or even in the middle). I think naive or stupid are usually more common descriptions that are valid.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Think she might be living in someone else's head, too. Seriously, if the best the party can do is flashbacks to the 80s they may as well pack it in now.
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