LEAVE the Conservative Party and save your country!
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It is hard to pin down what these people stand for. This is because they were driven primarily by the desire to cling on to power, so their policies didn't reflect anything coherent. Means it is a folly to try to interpret any overall philosophy.
They will all get gongs and have.the opportunity to say what they really think in the 3 or 4 HoL sessions they turn up to each year. Then we'll know more.
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Except Liz Truss, who will be writing her memoirs over and over from the manicured gardens of a psychiatric institution.
Chapter 1 will start, "All work and no play makes Liz a dull girl."
Chapter 2 will start, "All work and no play..."
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Whatever (I think you're right), the contrast with Thatcher is stark - she had a philosophy, which she stuck to: it was her philosophy which the electorate rejected in the end, not her honesty or competence.
Modern right-wing conservatism seems to be flailing in both the US and here, as I don't think the 'philosophy' has caught up with the 21st century... apart from big tax cuts for the richest in society paid for a shrinking of the state sector, I don't it's got a coherent idea of how to navigate how the world functions in 2024 or beyond, hence the rose-tinted appeal of Reagan and Thatcher. Thatcher's way of dealing with increasingly globalised world trade via the Single Market came back to bite her once she realised the political consequences of harmonising standards within a multi-national trade bloc.
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It's a strange irony that Liz Truss is the one who genuinely did blow with the wind, went from Lib Dem to Remainer and then ended up as Tory leader actually trying to implement the policies that the rest of the Conservative party claim to be in favour of.
The others were consistent in saying they wanted those things but actually implemented high tax large government interventionist policies.
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WTAF? Does he think he's running for POTUS? If he does, he's got some way to go before he works that carefully-placed-crowd-with-placards into a frenzy.
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It just shows how out of touch they are if they think U.S. politics is something to aspire to, or emulate.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
The whole thing just baffles me. Even if it weren't a total misfire on every level (I can't imagine even die-hard Tory supporters volunteering to stand behind Jenrick to wave placards), just what's the point, and how much is it costing to make him look like a cosplaying idiot?
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Please, no. He is who he is, a rather boring legalistic type who appears to be a fairly ruthless manager. I can't imagine Starmer being able to carry off a Tim Walz act any more than I can imagine John Major whipping a crowd into a frenzy.
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He isn't even a charismatic politician by UK standards.
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This. People can see through play acting and image creation, simply be yourself.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Badenoch launching her campaign with a video that says "you need someone like me, who's not afraid of Doctor Who."
Sticking with my prediction that she'll win and be gone again before the next general election.
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Ian Dunt saying she'll appeal to a certain large subset of the Tory party (though not those who might lean more heavily to Reform attitudes to race), but will be an anathema to the wider electorate. They are really stuffed by having such a low quality field, all of whom had a hand in the catastrophe of the last 14 years... it does suggest that they really haven't taken in the scale of the defat or why most people hate them.
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No one with any common sense or ability will want the job just yet.
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she comes across as vaguely sensible here...
...but i'm not convinced by her denials around "culture wars"
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Great! Will you be running on a 'repeal the T&C Planning Act' manifesto?
No?
Whasamatter? Too free for you?
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Part of the anti-growth coalition2 -
If his thesis is grow the economy to solve public services, he needs to be a bit of a cheerleader and a salesman.
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whilst i'm all for growing the economy, it's not by itself going to fix things
uk/usa/de/others, have all had growth since the 1980s
but the rewards have increasingly accrued to the few (whether corporate or individual)
working/middle classes get squeezed harder, their costs and tax burden increase, while the corporates/trusts/etc. expertly avoid all they can
demographic changes add to the problem
assuming it's ultimately desirable (for the benefit of society as a whole) to reduce/reverse that imbalance, how?
any country acting alone will face capital flight and loss of inward investment, because it'll be more profitable to carry on elsewhere
i've certainly no solution, there's no sign any of these governments do either, just more of the same, tired, right/left nonsense, truss trickle-down ffs! which has been failing society for a very long time
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I would hope that the Tories are glad Zahawi's gone. "OMG, Mayfair!! I had to go to one side of the pavement to walk passed [sic]". It's even worse when you read his response to questions in the thread: "I was just pointing out where the tragic human is, if I was walking in Victoria o would have said so, as I do regularly." Not an ounce of concern. But hey, he got some nice Mayfair plastic flowers in the photo, to show what an otherwise nice neighbourhood it is.
Tragic human, eh? When such a lack of empathy comes so naturally, no wonder people voted these erseholes out. He's also been making a fool of himself with Victoria Derbyshire trying to exculpate himself in his slippery tax dealings and his 'inadvertent omission' in his declarations.
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What a waste of media training that man is.
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The more I think about it, it is actually quite hard to appear such a heartless bastard. The fact that he took to Twitter to make sure everyone witnesses it is the icing on the cake.
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But why can't he claim on taxpayer funded expenses the costs of heating his horse stables?
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With Patel out that may strengthen Jenrick's position. Unlike the majority on here I could see him doing quite well.
There's a huge Reform vote that I doubt Starmer is going to appeal to - in fact there's a plausible theory their inability to tackle economic issues will see Labour lean into cultural ones - it's what the Labour membership would want - and send more voters towards populism. A populist Tory party will be ideally positioned to benefit.
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Didn't the Tories already try populism as electoral strategy?
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Yep. Also IIRC adding Reform votes and Conservative votes still ends up with a labour win...
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I think Jenrick would be a disaster for the Tories - he's not bright, not charismatic, and painted over murals intended to make children less traumatised.
Even if I were feeling charitable towards the party, I just don't see any talent or appeal in the candidates to a wider public. Their only unifying qualification is that none of them are as bad as Truss.
I genuinely would like a decent candidate to appear out of the ashes who can detoxify the smoking remains of the Tory Party and articulate something based on a positive vision, not all this anti-foreigner culture war nonsense. That's obviously not going to happen this time round.
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At the last election, yes. You need to give Labour more of a chance to mess things up and p1ss off loads of voters, as they inevitably will. They've only had 2 months and seem to making a good start on the above, mind.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Badenoch seems to be the one that the lefties don't want to win.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I'm not too fussed, wherever I am on the spectrum. They're all terrible, all tainted. And as said before, she won't appeal to the Reform types, for obvious reasons, so not good electorally.
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