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In what way are we a lap down? Illustrate with data please.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Posted on the previous page. Here it is again.
Q3 23 and Q4 23 are the lap behind. Also, it's not like I haven't noticed the significant contraction across the construction industry.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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That's a very small lap. Convenient definition that exaggerates.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You're the one crowing about one slightly better quarter. It doesn't look any better if you scroll back a few years.
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ONS has found another 0.5% down the back of the sofa, so no idea how things compare over a number of years.
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How does it look for all the comparable countries? I don't recall many of them flying ahead, especially the European ones.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
The sort of reactions above are the norm for Cake Stop when any stats are produced that paints the UK in favourable light when the Conservatives were in government. It will be interesting to see the reaction when quarterly growth figures are announced which related to period when Labour is in charge.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
It is good news Stevo - but it comes off the back of basically a lost generation of growth. The GFC was part of it, yes, but it has been followed by a decade of relentless self-harm and austerity.
Your reaction to 0.6% growth in one quarter feels a bit like being handed a tissue by the person who has just punched you in the face and being told to be thankful for the kindness.
Presumably you've been one of the lucky ones during this period and done well financially. I suppose in the grand scheme of things so have I. However, for my part I am forced to wonder just how much better things would be under and alternative time line in which we had fewer circus clowns or salad items running the country.
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Might be worth looking at economic growth since 2010 in different countries, as you'll find that there isn't a massive difference over the last 14 years when looking atthe whole period.
Anyway, let's see what the leftie circus clowns can do, shall we?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
We've been low-to-mid table since 2016. There are lots of graphs floating around.
Edit: I see you've found one of them. Exactly: there's not much in it. It's great that one quarter has ticked up after a couple of bad quarters of contraction but it needs to last more than 13 weeks to be meaningful.
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Not sure any supporter of Johnson has the right to call anyone else clowns tbh.
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The leftie circus is just getting going.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
It's curious to see Tugendhat bidding for the leadership of the Tory Party by trying to troll the Labour Party. I'd have thought having a 'vision' for one's party and country might have rather more positive things to focus on. I really can't see Tories digging themselves out of their hole if that's a marker of where they are at collectively.
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Sourced from elsewhere, but... paging the forum #torydregs fanboi(s)
So, given Priti Vacant, Jimmy Dimly and Bad Enoch have the wrong pantone numbers for the 'Party Faithful', is this a contest between Robert 'Honest (not) Bob' Jenrick and TugYourHat? Who tf is the other one?
Drain plugholes do what they do...
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"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
Given that all of these except Tugendhat were heavily involved in the ancien régime, I hold out no hope that the new leader will exercise the necessary reflection as to why they suffered such an historic defeat and are so deeply disliked and distrusted. And that Tugendhat, the only one who jumped ship has gone full Reform/Trump doesn't suggest that there's anyone who's going to fight to bring the Tories back to any semblance of "we're-not-loons, honest!".
Mind you, it's all good news for Labour, as I can't see them feeling threatened for quite a while yet, even if they are merely average-but-competent.
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Competent in what way?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I've settled for average-but-less-incompetent.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
New biography says that Truss considered saving money in the NHS by stopping cancer treatment.
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it's the voice of the people
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Doing the same thing that has got them to this position is the definition of insanity.
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certainly looks like their position is not attracting paying members...
...but as long as they can carry on selling gongs for 'donations', they're probably not too worried
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Flaw in that plan is that they've debased the brand so far, as well as being out of power for what might be a long time, that few donors will waste their money on them.
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even in opposition they can still propose peers, gongs for mates/money is deeply entrenched in the uk system, there'll still be those willing to pay
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You never know, Labour might make them a better offer, even if I'd be surprised if they were so blatant about it, and would expect a higher calibre than 'Lord' Moynihan and the (alleged) love-child of Johnson. There are certainly a ot of skeletons in the Tory closet... must admit, I've not heard much about the Covid fraud taskforce yet...
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there's a remarkable correlation between being a tory party treasurer (i.e. fundraiser) and getting a gong...
http://ggcpp.nuff.ox.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Conservative-Treasurers-v.4.pdf
...that list only goes up to 2016
recently there's mansour, only a senior treasurer, but bunging them 5 million last year saw him rewarded
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Yep, I read Private Eye, so have been well aware of the correlation. But a big chunk of that has been while they have been the government, so the attraction to donors and sponsors had an immediate appeal. I'm quite sure that those wanting leverage now will be cosying up to Labour politicians - Blair and Mandelson made a lot of 'useful contacts' while Labour were in power, though I'm not sure how many of those ended up in HoL or getting multi-billion-£ contracts.
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from nyt's london bureau chief, reader comments are quite good too...
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That's a good summary. (FWIW, I'm not going to change my opinion of Brexit being the thing that broke the Tories, putting populism ahead of pragmatism, and having to lie to make it seem sensible.)
I think there's a 'nub' in there for Tories who want to lurch even further to the right: Thatcher was not what the psychos make her out to have been (even if she was a bit of a psycho):
Broadly speaking, Bale said, the ideological fault line runs between the forces of big-state populism and neoliberal economics. Thatcher, the “Iron Lady” whose free-market revolution in the 1980s defined the modern-day Conservative Party, embodied both strains. But present-day Tories tend to sort into one camp or the other: Johnson was a populist, while Sunak and Truss are heirs to the neoliberal tradition. Neither, though, was willing to face down the populists on their right, and Truss has styled herself as a populist since leaving office.
Maybe it was all a con trick, but Thatcher had the intellect and deep belief to pull it off for a while. That she fell because of her belief in the poll tax, and wouldn't budge, puts her a million miles from the charlatans of the past fourteen years, who'd hitch their underpants to any policy if they thought it would make their 'base' moist with excitement.
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