2024 UK politics - now with Labour in charge
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She's oversold it, but Hunt making the NI cut saying the finances are in a good shape when there are the known problems in the obr report AND the new issues is pretty ropey.
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Sure but you got to sell it to the public and it is politics to harness the anger the public obviously have for the outgoing govt.
You're basically complaining the politicians are doing politics at this point.
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Depends how much of the guff you believe. Some people are gullible.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Yeah, there’s one of those posting on here. Still believes the last Government were doing a good job.
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That's not the point here.
I'd be interested to hear your views in Reeves' latest actions, given that Rick seems to be busy.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Arsonists blaming the fire service for not putting the fire out before someone had called 999.
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I start to wonder if, like Trump, they were hoping beyond hope to stay in power so that they could carry on being shy about what they'd spent, and if eventually people found out they could obfuscate more easily. Also, one wonders if that was partly behind the wish to get rid of the OBR... those pesky kids.
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5 weeks ago you were still banging on about the inheritance from Brown & Blair this is not a serious debate
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What precisely is the guff here.
The idea that Reeves thought that Hunt was truthful when he presented the NI cut and said the finances are in tip top shape?
Or is the guff that Reeves is saying the finances are in a shit state when really everything is tickety boo.
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Surely 10 minutes with a focus group would tell you that the NI cuts weren't sufficient to make anyone forget about roads/NHS/police/prisons/RAAC schools/etc.
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That cut currently looks like Hunt's version of Brown's income tax raise to 50% at the last minute.
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Anything would do. I think they just hoped something, anything, would provide cover for the unicorns to escape.
I think they were really just trolling for their last year: utterly unable to fess up to the damage they'd inflicted, probably realising that the shit was going to hit the fan one way or another, sooner or later, maybe hoping for an electoral miracle so that they could cover some of their tracks, but finally just salting the earth so that they could try and pin the blame for the past 14 years of incompetence and failure on Labour.
I suspect Labour won't lose much sleep in just ignoring them as long as the Tories remain trolls rather than a serious opposition party.
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So what? This is where is where are now and I note your reluctance to answer. It's understandable.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Trying to blame everything on the Tories. Do I really need to spell that out?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Less clever is knocking 20,000 off London's housing target in favour of massive increases in the NW.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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So no specific guff that you can identify.
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A large part of any alleged black hole will be the cost of Labour caving in to public sector and union pay demands. Maybe you can explain how that is the Tories fault.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
How about Covid and the costs of lockdown (which many on here wanted to be ever stricter)? Or maybe the economic consequences of Putin invading Ukraine and its effect on inflation and fuel prices etc? Of course none of that would have happened if those nasty Tories hadn't been in charge....
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
So, does nobody else think that Reeves could do better than paying off the public sector without getting anything in return on productivity, hours, working practices etc, while cutting back on infrastructure projects?
I seem to recall a few people saying on here that after the GE, they'd stop whining about the Tories and criticise Labour where criticism is warranted. I have my squadron of pigs on standby 😀
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Hunt had indicated that they would agree to the pay review board recommendations, but would not provide any additional funding. Obviously it's different when he does it.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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If Covid and Ukraine are valid excuses why do you think the historic levels of borrowing they caused are all over and done with? Do you seriously think a couple of years of slightly higher taxes have covered it?
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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I assume there's also no cost associated with strikes or people leaving the public sector and having to replace them.
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I think stopping the doctors strikes will improve productivity tbh.
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Indicated...
Have to say I'm was a bit surprised how quietly Labour caved in. I guess they need to keep their union paymasters happy.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
See post above. That does not mean near instant capitulation is the right answer, especially when this will very likely encourage lots of other optimistic pay demands.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
So you agree that these were material adverse external factors which were outside the control of the government?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
To a degree, yes. I'm unconvinced that they took the most cost effective action to each of those crises and the Truss premiership can't be blamed on Covid or Putin, but we are where we are. I take it that you also agree that those additional costs didn't magically disappear on 4th July. The increased debt servicing costs will be there for decades.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Lol. All parties are reliant on their donors. 1 year of junior doctors' strikes (44 days actual strike) is reckoned to have cost £3bn, so it's not as if ignoring the issue was cost free. And bluntly, if retention is a problem - and it obviously is - then pay and/or conditions need to improve.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Good, the light is starting to come on at last. Please spread the word amongst Cake Stoppers.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
