The Big 'Let's sell our cars and take buses/ebikes instead' thread (warning: probably very dull)
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Most "engine noise" is actually exhaust noise. The exhaust is at the back and underneath and sound is a wave.
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Thanks. That was my original point about someone wanting silent tyres. Not a good idea imo.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
But are they going slower than they were before? I doubt anyone expected total compliance or even a particularly high level of compliance, it is about getting the number that were doing 30 or above previously down to a lower speed. The accident statistics and insurance claim information suggest it's working although as with any road safety treatment there's a chance of regression to mean (I'm no statistician but with the research being over multiple sites I assume this is less likely than when assessing an individual site).
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Silent tyres means they are more efficient, generally. Silent cars are a bad idea, but the noise might be a bit Johnnycab, eventually.
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The figures behind that article don't support its text. Particularly not the first paragraph.
The paragraph reads: "As many as 84% of Britain’s car drivers routinely break the speed limit in 20mph residential areas, according to the latest figures from the Department for Transport."
The DFT report that it is based on says that that number comes from what it calls "free flow" sites, without traffic calming measures. "The 20mph ‘free flow’ sites, by contrast, tend to be on ‘through routes’ rather than smaller residential streets – reflecting the constraints both of finding ‘free flow’ traffic conditions and locations suitable for the installation of automatic traffic monitoring equipment."
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I mean if "...motoring experts at Quotezone.co.uk..." in a TV listings magazine wasn't a clue...
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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I'm thinking that silent tyres must have compromises to grip and wear but it's not a hill I'm going to get hurt on.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
To be honest, providing a link to the source is a step up from most regurgitated press release articles.
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1st century BCE LTN,
No doubt Julius Gaius StephanusDCLXVI would be moaning about it at the bathhouse.
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War on wagoners
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Surprised that the Welsh U-turn on its 20 mph policy hasn't had a mention on here...
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
Surprised it hasn't been mentioned in the thread about selling cars and using public transport?
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This is where the debate had happened before.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I saw it in the Times the other week but it looked like a non story. If it appeases those who don't want 20mph on most roads in built up areas while still keeping them, it sounds good.
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The £2 bus fare cap was a pretty good policy. Something good that the Tories did.
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Did they cap it or subsidise the ticket so that they wouldn't go above £2?
Otherwise, I have a boring economics chart for you.
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it is heavily subsidised in the West Mids. The new WM Mayor's plan is to franchise bus services and bring some of the network back under public ownership.
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I wonder how many actual limits on specific roads will change. Will I have enough fingers to count?
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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What difference does it make? Presumably it's a subsidy like your trains.
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I mentioned it at the time, pretty sure you even then commented. It hasn't been scrapped, they are just reviewing some areas. Classic clickbait there, I'm not sure what part of this constitutes the policy being scrapped?
"He followed this by saying that although some of the now 20mph zones will be reconsidered, they would likely remain in areas with high populations of vulnerable people, such as children or the elderly: ‘We continue to believe 20mph is the right speed limit in places such as near schools, hospitals, nurseries, community centres, play areas and in built-up residential areas.’
‘The principal objective of the policy is to save lives and reduce casualties on our roads. What I am doing now is listening to what people want for the roads in their communities, and pressing ahead with refining the policy and getting the right speed on the right roads.’"
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The main difference is that it's not a train from Cambridge to London, I think.
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It's only a U turn if you don't understand the difference between a default 20mph limit and a blanket 20mph limit (which it never was). I'm pretty sure that they had a system of review in place from the outset to change to 30mph where appropriate.
This guidance has been in place since before the policy was implemented
https://www.gov.wales/setting-30mph-speed-limits-restricted-roads-guidance-highway-authorities-html
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You mean Time Out isn't the reputable organ of record for transport matters?!
I am shook.
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I think this explains things well
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Amusingly, that is from study smarter.
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So if the purpose of busses is to provide a good service, I'd suggest that capping what the private bus companies can charge will lead to a material reduction in the number of bus journeys. That does not a good service make.
If it's a subsidy, then obviously it won't, depending on the size of the subsidy.
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Most buses are subsidised. Even National Express used to receive some.
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Yes, they'd need to be.
In general I am not a believer in price caps. They are bad and cause the above problems.
This applies to rent caps too.
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All the tube ticket price cap has caused, by the way, is massive underinvestment in the tube, which we will pay the price of in about 10 years, because the price cap was made unilaterally by the London Mayor and not done in conjunction with the transport department, so they did not get the funding shortfall covered by the government.
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