LEAVE the Conservative Party and save your country!
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Boris has a variety of qualities and he can really sell his bullshit. Badenoch looked bored by what she was saying...
As for the "cakestop don't like her so she must be good" argument. Doesn't the previous election suggest that the cakestop average view is more aligned with winning a fptp election than Stevo?
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But the Con-ables have all effed off to Niggly Fartrage land.
I do wonder how many of the residual increasingly aged party members would vote for another wumman who doesn't Thatcher cosplay like Thick Lizzy Lettucehead or that imitation sword wielder Mordaunt (oh hang on, issues there) and whose skin tone wouldn't reach a compatible shade of gammon?
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We've had more than one female PM and one PM from an ethnic minority background, so I don't see that as a barrier for Bedenoch. May well show up Starmer as being pale, male and stale as well.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
It's worked before - Boris being the example. I think it's fair to say that the views in the Cake Stop bubble are not in line with the wider voting public.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Whilst the Conservatives did have an ethnic minority PM, it should possibly be pointed out that it was against the wishes of their members. Who thought it was preferable to have literally the worst PM ever.
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Bullshitting might get an 80-seat majority as a one-off, but it fucked the country, which is why Labour now have an 180-seat majority. I'm not sure how you are defining success, or what you think the Tory Party should be doing now. Winding up lefties and doing little else probably isn't the most -far-sighted policy, either for the country, or even what's left of the Tory Party.
I think Badenoch would be as electorally successful as Corbyn, FWIW. She certainly hasn't even got the (dubious) charm of Johnson, and, shall we say, I don't think she's going to attract too many Reform voters.
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Is Bedenoch a Freudian slip of some kind?
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Wahey! 😆
He was infinitely better at it than Badenoch. He also had the sense not to get all pissy when called out on the bullshit.
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Iannucci realises that his writing was rather tame compared with Trussian reality.
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Maybe I've been taking it too literally when I ve heard all the centre lefties saying 'f*** the Tories'?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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I'm still not sure Stevo's taken the scale of the defeat in, and thinks it's just meano centre lefties in CS who dislike the Tories so much. Labour managed to kick them out with a rather bland and uncharismatic leader. And remarkably the sky hasn't yet fallen in, though it's probably too early to tell.
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Well given very weak response to my questions about what they are planning to increase growth in all those new bills, I'd say were in for a 5 year long period of disappointment. I'll cut Reeves a bit slack until the first budget but tbh I can't see what rabbits she is going to pull out of the fiscal hat.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Half the party are still hoping Jose Mourinho will return to lead them back to glory I think.
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Makes a change from multiple tory wins I suppose. Enjoy your new leftie heroes while they're still in the honeymoon period.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
In case you aren't been looking at politics on the continent, the old adage of winning from the centre seems to be on the retreat. If anything, the issue was that the Tories weren't Conservative enough, rather than not enough like some slightly less sad version of the Lib Dems.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Gah, don't drink the Koolaid, it's poisonous.
The election results show that some people went that way (and most of them have no idea that they did incidentally), but more people didn't.
Truly, if you want the Tories to recover, surely you can figure out that you aren't going to get votes back from them by moving politically further away.
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There's no disappointment at getting rid of liars and incompetents for starters, and Labour trying firstly to mend as much of the stuff that the Tories broke (the jury's still out on whether it was by design or incompetence) such as the NHS, the courts, UK-EU relations, immigration, schools, etc. as they can.
I'm aware you've said unblocking housebuilding won't make much of a difference, or gradually making trading with the EU less problematic, but I assume that if there were an easy wand to wave, the Tories would have done it, unless they were even worse than Cakestoppers made out. The one magic wand that the Tories couldn't wave was to make people believe the Government had a grip on, well, anything. Businesses need predictability and stability from government, plus a belief that the government is actually acting in the country's interest, not the party's, nor chasing unicorns. That stability in itself should help things along.
I suspect that your blaming Labour for everything isn't going to worry Starmer, Reeves or Rayner too much for a while. If it all goes pear-shaped, I'm sure CS will be on it, but until Tories do some reflection on how they screwed up, and how they are going to make themselves electable again, few people are going to be listening to them. The likes of Badenoch and Atkins posturing in the Commons is only going to prolong their irrelevance.
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Away from what? A bunch of centrist Dads who think they know better?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
I genuinely think you're moving further right towards Reform. People are trying to help you here (and the Tories, as we need a decent opposition), but you appear to think that the answer is to ignore the electorate and friendly advice and go even more extreme. I genuinely don't think you know what you want from government, other than one which promises to cut taxes and isolates itself from its nearest market. You might have noticed that's been tried just recently, and was shit. Maybe you're now in the Farageiste or Trussist 'It wasn't done properly' camp. I do remember your glee at Truss's offer to give you a tax cut so you could turn your heating up.
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Record defeat, record swings away from Tories, Tories losing votes and seats against all other parties. It was one national “fuck off” if I’ve ever seen one.
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It’s good to see the spirit of this guy lives on.
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Or maybe this one
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If you mean completely giving up on support for businesses, abandoning home ownership as an aspiration and spending like a drunk at the bookies, then yes, you might have a point.
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Perhaps Stevo should (finally) post as a record for future comparisons the top 10 achievements of the ex-GINO over the past 5... 8... 14? years
He could of course ignore the multitude of cans kicked down the road and focus on those things which markedly improved this country as an integrated whole.
And no, Michelle Mone-y money money's win can't feature. (Where is she now, on her 'leave of absence' from being a 'baroness' in the HoL? Hiding on some non-extradition country's seafront in her yacht?)
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I think you have a very unhealthy obsession Brian.
It really is irrelevant what the Tories do in the coming months, but you seem utterly obsessed with anything to do with them.
Get out and enjoy your bike and forget about them for a while intil they have worked out what direction they will go in the new world.
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Hang on, I thought it was lefties you didn't like. Is it centries as well now?
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The terms are interchangeable for righties who think the answer is to go further right.
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Center is the new left.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
You're probably right, though it is quite fun watching them self-immolate. But maybe I can be forgiven my schadenfreude given what they've inflicted on the UK. I suspect I'm not alone.
Off to France for six weeks at the end of the month, so riding my bike is exactly what I'll be doing.
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