2024 Election thread
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And the general public have said what RJS claimed above?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Well, there's this one from March:
The poll also found that more people "would prefer the government to spend more on public services, even if it means taxes going up" (51 per cent), than those who "would prefer the Government to cut my taxes even if it means reducing spending on public services" (37 per cent).
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Carry on making spooky noises in your white sheet... it's not moving the dial.
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There is one party that is offering to significantly cut the size of the state and reduce taxes, but even they are open about not having any chance of implementing these policies (if you can call them that).
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Think I'll set Sky to record the Exit poll announcement on every channel
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Amusing update on Reform's 'establishment stitch up' vetting failure.
Fancy handing over £144k without understanding what you were buying.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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OK, so a real life example isn't enough for you. Looks like we'll just have to wait and see how your choice pans out.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Just goes to show that the promise of tax cuts is popular.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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If anyone is interested, here's the suggestion that the Tories are indeed, making up the numbers and not really trying to model what they're gonna do.
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Luckily labour are promising lower increases to NHS funding than even Osbourne did.
not that the wonderful socialist model needs it:
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If anything, this election proves you cannot trust the political parties to fund this stuff properly - you have to take it at least semi private to get the capital in.
The election has been almost exclusively about tax cuts and not about how to fund public services.
You cannot have your entire health system funding in the hands of parties who can only get into power promising less tax - certainly not with the demography Britain has.
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It feels like they are relying entirely on going all in on the 'Labour will raise your taxes by £2k' and repeating it ad neuseam. I guess they are thinking stating lies loudly and constantly worked for the Brexit referendum so it's worth a shot now. They seem to have got tired of all their 'policies' being laughed out of the room - they even seem to have given up on immigration as their main angle of attack - and this is now all that remains.
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Don't think it has. The party leading the polls has been pretty clear that some taxes will rise. The other opposition parties are all proposing tax rises. Reform is the only party committed to substantial tax cuts and have openly said that these are not policies they ever expect to have to implement. A party so thick they paid £144k for a software license by mistake.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Haha I couldn't disagree more. No party in this election is being serious about increasing funding appropriately for the NHS. The NHS is demonstrably failing the nation at this point.
No party has the political capital to say "realistically, if you want world class healthcare, we have to increase the nation's spend on it by around 3-5% of the nations GDP" and raise taxes to cover that.
That's the reality.
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I don't see how you're getting into power whilst significantly changing the finding model.
Ultimately as soon as anyone mentions an insurance based system, the only one people will think of is the USA.
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Thing is that everybody does know it. The parties can't risk saying it out loud, and the electorate don't want to hear it. Everybody is happy with their heads in the sand.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
It's perfectly mirrored by Stevo's contributions here. Despite the repeated invitations to give us one thing positive about the Tory offer, absolutely nothing other than "be careful what you wish for" etc. an nauseam. It's not surprising though, given their abominable record and complete lack of anyone credible or talented.
Of course I don't discount the habit of the electorate being dishonest and selfish, saying one thing in opinion polls and then voting for the biggest tax cuts for their personal benefit, but if Truss did one thing it was to illustrate in real terms (i.e. increased mortgage payments) what irresponsible (and unfunded) tax cuts can bring about.
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I think manifestos should be much more vibes based and less about trying to make the numbers add up with any accuracy. The numbers with spurious accuracy would turn out to be just as wrong.
This document on the OBR forecast vs outturn shows how it's just a general guide to somewhere possibly in the vaguely right direction. https://obr.uk/docs/dlm_uploads/Forecast-evaluation-report-October-2023.pdf
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I think the electorate have cottoned onto the fact that manifestos are nothing more than hollow promises that can, and will, be broken at the drop of a hat. Not sure where that leaves us but...
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
They may not know the actual numbers, or full implications, but they do know it's more than they can afford so bury their heads.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Why do you assume that the solution is simply to spend more? Looking at the numbers, our spending on healthcare is at the high end of the scale and with the exception of the US, no other major country spends 3%-5% more.
You have already hit on the biggest problem - i.e that it is a socialist model, so needs major reform and then maybe the money might get spent more efficiently.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
If you exclude the US because it's bonkers, the more you pay on spend the better the outcomes are. It's that simple.
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The NHS needs serious reform, not just more money thrown at it. We, as a nation, need to decide what its purpose is, what functions we want it to perform. As I keep saying, it is utterly bonkers that it is the largest employer in europe by a distance, and in the top few in the world.
Sadly, no political party has the balls to be honest about it.
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So now you *don't* want to count the US? Make your mind up.
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Was a bit lower before squillions was thrown at Tory donors during the pandemic - note the difference between 2019 & 2020... UK pretty central in 2019, outlier in 2020.
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