2024 Election thread
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Listening to some clips now. I’m not sure “you don’t know what you are going to get with Labour but you know what you’ll get from me” is the best line for Sunak.
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What was that "don't raise your hand if you don't disagree with these negative statements " bit?
Should have played the 1% Club music while they worked out what they were supposed to do.
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It is quite meta how everyone watching it isn't interested in the content, but instead views it through the lens of "what lands well" with other voters.
If everyone is the analyst and not the target audience, who are these guys appealing to?
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In effect, a senior civil servant saying that yet another Tory is lying. They just can't help themselves.
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It's purely going through the motions and trying not to fuck up. Nobody is having their minds changed.
Starmer's a bit dull, Sunak doesn't want to talk about anything he's done except furlough. Nobody said anything stupid.
Starmer treated it too much like PMQs, Sunak understood the format better. Terrible format for actually revealing anything but that's the way it is.
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Only just become aware that even the made up £2,000 is over 4 years, not per year.
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The format was shockingly bad. Neither came out of it smelling of roses. It would never happen but a longer debate with actual structure, more time to answer serious questions and a moderator who doesn't get talked over would be far better. It might be dull, but it would be better than that.
Lots of comments about Sunak not learning his lesson of shouting over people from his leadership debates with Truss. Doesn't come across great.
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I don't see anyone saying Starmer walked it despite this place being full of leftie fan boys.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I do charge them for my consultancy you know.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
The first election they did them, they seemed to work fairly well.
I feel like in subsequent elections where the format is dicked around with (and where politicians have more experience of how to manage them) the debates have been less useful.
The one where you had tons of leaders including Plaid and SNP seemed particularly pointless for a national debate.
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Hope you're making a decent amount, you may be looking for work after the election 😛
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Nope. Already posted about it upthread on 25th May.
Do keep up at the back...
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
If anything I'll probably be busier, given that I mainly deal with one of life's two certainties. Every cloud and all that 🙂
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
Didn't watch it, but probably a few reasons, from comments and odd sniipets I've seen:
A silly format, which seems to have been optimised for only soundbites, not real debate.
Starmer's deleivery is dull, so will never light up a room. Plus he's being hyper-cautious not to step out of line on agreed lines. Though dull is fine after the 'excitement' of people like Johnson and Truss.
We're not leftie fanboys, just FOTs. (The T stands for Tories, and I'll let you work out the first two letters.) Starmer and Labour are simply the agents for what needs to happen. We crave competence and honesty.
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Sure, it sounds like he didn't do a great job as he was being too cautious but he could have walked off the podium holding Sunak's severed head aloft and you would have said Sunak had got the better of him.
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Stevo the Undertaker. Who'd have guessed? 😉
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I think it's just more symptomatic of how politics is now. None of them want to discuss policy - the Government doesn't want to as it will highlight their failings and the Opposition doesn't want to as it will have to admit what needs doing to fix those failings (which seems odd to me - "we'll obviously have to increase tax and / or spending to fix the complete mess the Government has made of the country. However, once the economy is growing at a stronger rate and the issues are fixed we will look to cut taxes with a focus on the lowest earners first" would seem a reasonable stance to me).
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Part of the problem is that people in your FOT category really haven't thought what might happen after they get their wish. Hence my warnings - it's for your own good...
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
We have - we've concluded it can't be worse. We are in a worst of both worlds at the moment with high tax and public services falling apart. If, in 5 years, I'm moaning at how much worse things are feel free to say 'told you so' though.
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Got to think long term, Stevo. You and I are likely OK until we reach senility regardless of the government, but surely you want a country for your kids to grow up in where blatant lying and corruption etc. are impediments to public office rather than a "golden ticket" into the upper echelons of government. Booting the Tories out is a necessary first step to achieving this. Voting them back in will only encourage a worsening of standards in public life.
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Oh yes we have. It starts with getting rid of Tories, their utter incompetence and dishonesty. We've had fourteen years of evidence to base our choice on, so it's not some temporary emotional reaction.
Given that even you cannot name one positive thing to sell us Team Tory on, I'm more than happy with my analysis and choice.
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Main character syndrome?
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Will people remember that Labour will put up their taxes or remember that Sunak lied about Labour putting up taxes?
That's the battle now
Labour aren't messing about here.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
I am thinking long term and will probably have to time me taking my pension for when Labour aren't around.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I've already explained about the choice on tax. And what do you think Labour is going to fix given they have said they wont change the headline rates of any of the main taxes?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Never heard of it.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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Given all you've come up with is some vague warnings on the already significantly watered down workers rights and tax rises - which is just more of the same, yes, I think I have thought it through. Thanks for worrying.
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Given the electoral annihilation that the conservatives are facing I'd be worried about how long I'd have to delay my retirement for!
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