2024 Election thread
Comments
-
Surely if the Tories ditched Sunak now, they would go into the GE without a leader as there isn't time for them to re-elect one?
And given legally we now have no MPs, there are no MPs to send letters of no confidence to the Chair of the 1922 Committee......
0 -
No-one mentioned replacing him 😉
0 -
-
That’s effectively what 2020 gave us, just the Reform candidates stood as Conservatives
0 -
Yes, I see Reform as the start of another lurch the the right for the Tories. There was talk up thread about why the UK is different from the rest of Europe in terms of support fornthe far right. I don't think that's clear just yet.
0 -
Think Farage has been pretty clear that he wants to take over or destroy the Conservatives. He's not interested in joining.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Glad to see Stevo following the telegraph to reform.
Colleagues in the office just "don't believe the polls" and are still of the view Tories will be deep into the 100s, seats wise.
I'm curious. I would be inclined to think its so volatile the polls might have a bigger margin of error but they're so consistent...
At this point a Blair style landslide would be a *disappointment* for labour - imagine that for a moment.
0 -
He's only ever going to be a short term lightening rod for discontented and oppressed xenophobes. As on several occasions in the past, the Tories will react by taking up enough of the Reform policies to claw back votes and render Reform unnecessary.
0 -
Reform don't have policies - in the sense of proposed legislation that could be implemented - they just have revenge fantasies for underachievers. The Conservatives tried a -Style immigration policy and look how well that turned out. Reform only works as responsibility-free sniping.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
I'm not sure that the Tories are even competent enough to do that at this stage.
0 -
The thing is they've been really terrible at implementing the reform style policies. Rwanda is a bit of a joke although I guess Brexit is successful, so long as your sole criteria is "did we leave the EU".
0 -
As rsjt points out, Reform dont need to have policies that can actually be implemented, they just need to say inspiring things about keeping people out, unless we personally approve of them. They can let the real politicians flounder on the practicalities.
0 -
I think this dismissive attitude is not really correct.
We've seen multiple leaders of these "single issue" parties either become leaders or get very very close to it on the continent.
0 -
Meh I think potential Reform voters will feel like the conservatives won't do the Reform policies "properly" so the Conservatives listing some Reform-lite policies isn't gonna win them back.
0 -
I get what you are saying, but I think the ability of such individuals to get close to power is not really about issues, it is more about a collective mindset that it is open to authoritarianism. Whilst I would never dismiss it, I just don't see anything in the UK that has ever suggested that the British public would ever give real power to a Wilders or Meloni type. Yes, a small minority of people might vote for them, but the majority would recognise them for what they are and reject them.
0 -
this is the problem with the tories policy direction over much of the last ten years
populist extreme right-wing policies tend to be unworkable/ineffective/damaging, but the tories were/are running so scared of ukip/reform that they adopt them in place of more effective boring ones
this leaves the tories failing repeatedly while reform blame them for bad implementation - just as with brexit: farage still claims it was wonderful but that the tories messed it up, whereas the reality is that is was just a really bad idea
my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny1 -
Exactly. "A square wheeled bicycle would solve everything! They just can't build square wheeled bikes properly!"
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Which terrible leftie chancellor cut the lifetime pension allowance from £1.8m in 2010 to £1m in 2016?
0 -
Please stop focussing on what the tories have actually done and join me in imagining what they might do if we just trust the plan. Also Labour are very scary.
- Genesis Croix de Fer
- Dolan Tuono2 -
I base it on the Tories having previous for changing their skin to obtain votes. It is why Brexit happened, and why Brexit was so bad, after all.
0 -
Also, if you are doing your pension planning based on the last desperate thrashings of a government in its death throes, you're an idiot.
0 -
LTA was always a blunt instrument to stop ultra high earners taking the p with tax relief. The cut in 2010 and subsequent freezing has brought it into the realms of affecting moderately successful people (a typical Tory trick - especially to then blame it on Labour).
It's not a great solution by any means and the pensions industry would much prefer contribution limits but that will be hard to do properly given the state of historic contribution data.
Whereas you could reinstate it at £2-3 million and get the original intention at next to no time / cost.
Reinstating it at the old £1.2 million(ish) would be a bad idea at that level it's just an incentive for moderately successful people to retire early.
2 -
-
Would be interesting to know how these things land with the general public. As has now been made abundantly clear, this was total BS from Sunak. However, there are people (like most here on the forum) who will take the time to read the analysis and work out fact from fiction, and there will be many more who just hear LABOUR - £2000 TAX HIKE!! and take it as read. I don't think it will help stop the Tories getting trounced, but we are again veering into Trump levels of lying from politicians.
0 -
-
-
I caught a bit of the ITV news last night, and it was all over there as well, but in a way that constantly repeated the dodgy figure, which is the point they wanted to get across.
Realistically, nobody's voting Conservative for honesty and competence, but because they think taxes would be lower than they would be under Labour.
I can't get over the weird way it was presented - £2,000 over 4 years per household? What does that even mean?
0 -
The over 4 years part was completely absent from the initial statement as well, unless I missed it
- Genesis Croix de Fer
- Dolan Tuono0 -
So £500 a year, or £250 per person in an average family. I'd sign up to that tomorrow if it means a working NHS, roads without craters, public sector workers not on strike...
0 -
Good to know it is being covered by mainstream outlets. I wonder if now they know the Tories are on their way out, that they feel more at ease with (thinking of BBC in particular) with pointing out the lies as this is not something that has been done regularly over the last few years!
0
