2024 Election thread

This.

A massive majority is not good. All parties need to be kept on the reign.

I dunno - I think the anti-Tory feeling is even stronger than in 97, so for most people it's a very simple choice of whoever will boot out the incumbent Tory, and unless Starmer/Labour make some terrible hash, tactical voting with our FPTP system will produce an earthquake. I think that the earthquake is necessary to shock the Tory Party into either coming to its senses and retreating from the far right drift, or falling apart in response to the hammering.

I think a big Labour majority might not be a disaster in its first term, in order to reverse some of the calamitous decisions taken by the Tories, but in the longer term, I'd be no keener on a Labour government with a weak/dysfunctional Opposition than I was on the Tory government with its 80-seat majority.

Low immigration? Nope

Not sure they set out to be pro EU tbf but agree with the rest

’The plan is working and ‘Labour haven’t got a plan’ are such a Trumpian thing. Keep repeating something over and over like a mantra and hope your brainwashed supporters start joining in. Luckily, unlike “get Brexit done’ it doesn’t seem to be catching on as even the most stupid can see there is no plan let alone one that is working.

pro citizens rights? nope

Change.

You still don't get the national sentiment that even no plan whatsoever is better than a terrible plan. If the damage is stopped now, you are still looking at nearly a generation at least before the UK has established anything that looks like a stable post-Brexit position. We are 8 years in and we still haven't figured out how to import medicine, for example. All the while, the government is still navel gazing about immigration, and looking for headline grabbing policies rather than actual solutions even to that, because the actual solutions would involve being nice to some French people.

Even you should surely realise that the election strategy the Tories are adopting is already acknowledging defeat, and is seeking merely to limit the bleeding.

At this stage, I am not sure even covert footage of Keir Starmer dwarf throwing would move the dial. People just want rid.

Not voting is basically a vote for the one that wins, it's not some high minded moral action you seem to think it is.

Anyway, bit of a slap down for Labour from D:Ream

We wouldn't want Labour to tell lies via the medium of song now, would we?

This. Nobody cares in this country if you choose to drop out. If you had to pay a fine for not voting then the stance might mean something.

Not had an in depth look yet, but given it's very relevant to my industry, the proposed changes to Green Belt designations were welcome. There's a lot more detail needed and the problems with the planning system are much wider than the Green Belt, but it's in marked contrast to the Conservative attitude with the removal of mandatory housing targets and general cheering about how much development has been prevented.

RC mentioned the lifetime allowance, with workarounds for doctors which does sound fairly silly.

There's the GB Energy thing, which I've yet to read up on. I'm not convinced by a lot of it but I don't think it can be said that they don't have a plan.

"Labour don't have a plan" is not a terrible line, but it goes along with "stick with us, you know how good we are" when that's not going to work.

Simply put, having no plan is potentially better than having a proven bad plan.

Then there are the plans that have been announced.

I simply don't understand this attack line.

'You know that lawyer you're not sure about? Well it's the popular, relatable, working-class woman who's really in charge'