2024 Election thread
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From what friends tell me, yes it is. Even worse when you get to DH/Head. Another mate recently went up for a Deputy role at a highly regarded Grammar School. Two full days of interviews if you made it to the last two candidates (which he did).
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For EU countries, sure.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Good to know those in key sector employment won't have to do it and it will just be the one's in minimum wage 40 hour per week work who have to give up their time.
How have they decided that anyway? I thought it was going to all be decided by the commission they appoint. A shame we'll never get to see the fiasco of them trying to actually introduce this with all the constant u-turns and various exemptions they find they have to include to the point no-one is compelled to take part.
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I too live in Yorkshire over in the East and I would say that the majority of secondary school kids in our village are in private education ( Pocklington school). To be fair there isn’t that many kids in the village.
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Maybe you need a new version of your graphic that includes the ECHR and the Council of Europe.
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Pleased we don't have to put up with all the wasted time of it TBH.
I'm amazed enough that the election debate is shaping up to be around a plan for national service...
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I was listening to a leading polling company say that this had very high recognition amongst voters in a recent poll (65%). People had both heard of it and knew which party it was proposed by, so it has obviously cut through to the masses.
It has unsurprisingly played well amongst the over 65's. The Tories are clearly announcing policies to solidify the older vote and avoid complete wipeout. The sense seems to be that if they can motivate their usual base to get out and vote they 'could' avoid a landslide (although losing is pretty much inevitable).
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Point taken re recent fee increases, but:
i) We're talking about real rates of increase and inflation has also been high recently
ii) When looking at average rates over circa 20 year periods, the last couple of years won't have made much difference
iii) Being really pedantic, the IFS data I referred to covers school year 22/23, which is only one year earlier than the current school year
In general, I'll go with the IFS (the source of the figures on which I commented) over those in a media outlet pushing an agenda though. e.g. the IFS adjusts for bursaries etc. whereas your article shows no sign of doing that.
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They do things differently in East Yorkshire!
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The best answer for Labour if they get asked if they would introduce the scheme will be 'don't be stupid'.
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I find it funny that Sunak keeps saying Labour don't have a plan then reveals his own great plan is a half-baked "national service" scheme that isn't really national service as anyone would recognise it and for which they have virtually no detail. Who actually thought this was going to play well with voters and turn around the tanker?
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Not to mention, as I did earlier, that Rick's article is 8 years old - published in May 2016.
The IFS Report you and I referenced is a little over a year old.
But of course, had Rick read any of the posts about this on here, he would have seen that.
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The number of 18-35 year olds outnumber the 65+ brigade so their strategy is flawed, at best.
Of course the 18-35 year olds need to get out and vote to make a difference.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Agreed, it sounded like wishful thinking to me. Will be interesting to see what the younger turnout is like. You would expect it to be higher than that last few elections but you never know.
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I thought I’d share where I got the numbers from, given I was being subject to the usual ad hominum insults in addition to questions about the data
I stand by the point that a 20% increase is not that much in the grand scheme of price hikes.
Anecdotally, most of the middle class parents at the kid’s school were privately educated, locally, but since, as they put it they’re not “bankers” they can’t afford to send their own kids through it. Doctors and professionals can’t afford £24k per kid per year, unsurprisingly.
Anyway, the private schools can just adjust accordingly. They’re exclusive by nature so this idea that making them less accessible is somehow worse rather misses the point of them does it not?
Finally, the idea that it’s optimal that there is a two tier education system that hinges on parent’s ability to pay is obviously nonsense. This is just people literally protecting their own privilege,
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Of course it’s a bubble. You will pay a premium to live in our village and the adjoining one compared to other villages near by.
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Never voted in my life ,it's the illusion of a choice .Nothing ever changes .
It's a new boar of governors with a different coloured flag .
They all lie and cheat without exception it's a choice of how much dog shit you want on your sandwich.
Wouldn't lower myself to be part of the farce it is .
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Ignored.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Yeah ,that's politics 101 .
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Even if you think it's a choice of how much shit is in your sandwich, who is choosing to have more shit in their sandwich...
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Makes sense, don't vote then claim to be ignored by the government that others did vote for #victimised
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Indeed, or just let someone else to chose what flavour shit you get in you sandwich 😼
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Right now it's noo even that! It's thinking that someone else can't possibly be worse at making shit sandwiches...
(If labour simply go back to respecting institutions and the rule of law that alone will be a massive improvement)
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Ah c'mon, the GINO were only breaking international law in "specific and limited" ways. Wossa problem?
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ECHR is unrelated to the EU. Tice I can believe doesn't know the difference, but I'm sure you do. We've left the EU, so he really can't use the EU courts to do anything. He could conceivably take a case to the ECHR but they have no power over primary tax legislation. It's just a publicity stunt for the gullible at best.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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About a dozen countries incl France and Spain, and some USA states, have a 'None of the above candidates' option on the ballott paper, and votes for this option in those countries are considered a very valid political choice. The votes number for 'None' is listed in the results just as if a 'candidate', and consequently the 'None' option has occasionally even 'won' in some places.
Such an option is something I would welcome as it allows you to voice your dissatisfaction/disillusionment with all candidates/parties without actually abstaining. Voter turnout in the UK was once about 75% but in the recent decades has dropped to under 65%, whereas in those parts of the USA where this option was introduced, voter participation rates increased, which is surely a better thing than abstaining (even if the additional voters voted for 'None').
Another of its judged advantages is that it helps towards a true-er voting outcome, because rather than vote for whom you least dislike, you vote for 'None' (so simply voting for A as protest against B occurs much less and doesn't distort the final result).
I know the UK voting papers which are rejected for one reason or another are also listed in the results, but the UK doesn't actually have a proper 'None of the above' option, so this type of vote is basically not recognised as legitimate political involvement in the UK. Even if the number of rejected papers exceeded the winner's vote, they would not count towards the final result, unlike where 'None' has 'won'.
The idea of 'None of the above' isn't new in the UK, there have been miscellaneous political groups proposing it the last couple of decades, but among established political parties only the Green Party currently advocate its introduction on the ballott paper.
Maybe the 'None' option would suit trevor.
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