2024 Election thread
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I would suggest otherwise I take no part in creating the farce ,so can critisize them all .
We all know they lie ,we are asked to choose who lies the least .
I won't compromise my morals for that .
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This.
A massive majority is not good. All parties need to be kept on the reign.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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I dunno - I think the anti-Tory feeling is even stronger than in 97, so for most people it's a very simple choice of whoever will boot out the incumbent Tory, and unless Starmer/Labour make some terrible hash, tactical voting with our FPTP system will produce an earthquake. I think that the earthquake is necessary to shock the Tory Party into either coming to its senses and retreating from the far right drift, or falling apart in response to the hammering.
I think a big Labour majority might not be a disaster in its first term, in order to reverse some of the calamitous decisions taken by the Tories, but in the longer term, I'd be no keener on a Labour government with a weak/dysfunctional Opposition than I was on the Tory government with its 80-seat majority.
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Yeah a lot of Tory voters have reason to not vote this lot back in.
low tax? Not this lot
low government interference? Not this lot
pro business? Not this lot
pro eu? Not this lot
Stable government? Not this lot
”at least they won’t crash the economy”? Not this lot
Encouraging home ownership? Not this lot
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Low immigration? Nope
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Can’t be surprising voters want to punish this govt for failing on everything they set out to do.
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Not sure they set out to be pro EU tbf but agree with the rest
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But the plan is working.
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’The plan is working and ‘Labour haven’t got a plan’ are such a Trumpian thing. Keep repeating something over and over like a mantra and hope your brainwashed supporters start joining in. Luckily, unlike “get Brexit done’ it doesn’t seem to be catching on as even the most stupid can see there is no plan let alone one that is working.
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pro citizens rights? nope
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Can you explain Labour's plan?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Change.
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To not actively wreck all the various parts of the UK.
thats the bar this govt has set. Incredibly low
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You still don't get the national sentiment that even no plan whatsoever is better than a terrible plan. If the damage is stopped now, you are still looking at nearly a generation at least before the UK has established anything that looks like a stable post-Brexit position. We are 8 years in and we still haven't figured out how to import medicine, for example. All the while, the government is still navel gazing about immigration, and looking for headline grabbing policies rather than actual solutions even to that, because the actual solutions would involve being nice to some French people.
Even you should surely realise that the election strategy the Tories are adopting is already acknowledging defeat, and is seeking merely to limit the bleeding.
At this stage, I am not sure even covert footage of Keir Starmer dwarf throwing would move the dial. People just want rid.
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That's a bit short on detail. Anyone want to have a proper go?
It shouldn't be difficult as any Labour plan has to be straightforward enough for the average leftie to understand.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Not voting is basically a vote for the one that wins, it's not some high minded moral action you seem to think it is.
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Let's hope that there are still plenty of high minded leftie moralisers in the UK. Reading this forum gives me hope 🙂
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Anyway, bit of a slap down for Labour from D:Ream
We wouldn't want Labour to tell lies via the medium of song now, would we?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
If anything it might help him!
Even if we go down the "labour have no plan route"... What is the conservative plan? Wait for a slight economic uptick whilst announcing increasingly unworkable policies that fuel culture wars and waste not insignificant amounts of money?
Fwiw I'd describe Starmers plan as to be returning to a slightly more plodding style of government, with fewer outright nuts policies (Rwanda) but just enough red meat policies to offer something to lefties (school fees VAT).
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This. Nobody cares in this country if you choose to drop out. If you had to pay a fine for not voting then the stance might mean something.
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If you think this forum is left wing you must live in a bubble.
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Not had an in depth look yet, but given it's very relevant to my industry, the proposed changes to Green Belt designations were welcome. There's a lot more detail needed and the problems with the planning system are much wider than the Green Belt, but it's in marked contrast to the Conservative attitude with the removal of mandatory housing targets and general cheering about how much development has been prevented.
RC mentioned the lifetime allowance, with workarounds for doctors which does sound fairly silly.
There's the GB Energy thing, which I've yet to read up on. I'm not convinced by a lot of it but I don't think it can be said that they don't have a plan.
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It doesn't matter though Stevo, that's the point. Fwiw to the extent that there is a plan, it seems to be investing in national assets. The GB energy thing to give that sector a leg up seems potentially quite far sighted.
And I personally love that the SNP hate it, because it will "damage the oil and gas sector" that they opposed until a couple of weeks ago, and because presumably it is good for Aberdeen and they can't support anything good for Scotland if it originates in England.
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"Labour don't have a plan" is not a terrible line, but it goes along with "stick with us, you know how good we are" when that's not going to work.
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It you want to be disabused of voting Tory then having to use the NHS is all it should take right now, it's in an appalling state. I can only assume those 65+ still voting for them are confident they aren't going to be using it anytime soon.
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Simply put, having no plan is potentially better than having a proven bad plan.
Then there are the plans that have been announced.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Punishment election.
I’d argue it’s also the end of boomerist politics that has dominated the UK political spectrum since the late 70s
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I simply don't understand this attack line.
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