The Big 'Let's sell our cars and take buses/ebikes instead' thread (warning: probably very dull)
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I think they are in the denial stage of telling themselves that if only they were able to "get their message across better" they'll do fine, whereas it's actually because people can see what they've done and the RUK direction they are going that they've got that message loud and clear.
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That might encourage people to drive more quickly though the zone. Not sure you've thought that one through fully.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Not if you take him at his word - Khan has gone on record on this:
Question
Pay-per-mile in London
Do you have plans for pay-per-mile in London by 2030?
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Date: Tuesday 26 September 2023
Sadiq Khan (Mayor of London): Thank you. It is lovely to see you here in person as well. Thank you. I want to be crystal clear. A pay-per-mile scheme is not on the table and not on my agenda.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I'm guessing that Bristolians haven't risen up in arms against the ULEZ zone there, given the increase in green councillors there.
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Was it a single issue election?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I've no idea in Bristol, but if they didn't like ULEZ, they'd certainly not have voted Green.
It'll cheer you up no end that one councillor was elected in Exeter (ousting a Labour councillor) directly on the back of a controversial LTN which has been weaponised. My reading of that is that the increased turnout for that ward (about 10 points higher than the rest of Exeter) was from the green-ink letter writers in the ward.
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lol have you driven in London.
If you think driving faster saves material amounts of time I have a bridge to sell you
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So now you believe him?
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It may not be the case that the policy has energised ordinary people to vote: quite possibly there were a lot of CHLs (car hating lefties) in that area who were always going to vote for that sort of thing if it was on offer. Quite plausible given it was in Brsitol.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
As has been said before, you have a unique ability to misinterpret the point.
Let me put it more simply for you. If a driver being charged by the minute for being in a certain area, do you think they are likely to try and minimise the time they spend in that area? If you answer yes, then how do you think they would try to do that? It really isn't that difficult to understand...
The opportunities may be relatively limited but people will take them. It will also make impatience and tailgating etc more prevalent.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I'm simply stating wat he said. Do you believe him?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Unfortunately.
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lol you’ve not driven in London. Cameras on the main lights to catch light jumpers, average speed cameras up the jacksy and wall-to-wall traffic.
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I lived in London for over 30 years and drove in it during that time, so you're talking utter bollox
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
My instinct is not to trust Khan when he says that he won't make life harder or more expensive for motorists. It's a bit like a Lion promising not to kill a Zebra - he will eventually succumb to his instincts.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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You still don't get it. Your idea will make people try to drive faster to reduce the cost. Have a think about it rather than trying to be a smartarse.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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Great, thanks for giving me reason for optimism.
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The Tufton St mob of media manipulators and culture war stokers seem to have hooked S666 well and proper. The 'anti-motorist' ULEZ was started by Johnson as mayor, and the zone extensions were supported by current GINO transport ministers various. But hey, it's all Khan's fault innit.
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Isn't the last eight years of mediocrity enough to destroy that?
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Mediocrity, that’s generous.
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Think he’s talking London. Nationally mediocrity would have been a vast improvement on what we’ve had.
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Reminds me of Heller
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them. With Major Major it had been all three.0 -
I took a trip to Whipsnade zoo the other day. They've started a new direct bus route from Luton train station. The trains to Luton are very frequent and very cheap and the bus is fine, but I had to wait in a traffic jam for 30 mins as people queued to get into the zoo car park and blocked the road whilst queuing.
The zoo also allows people to drive around presumably to save their legs.
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Whilst I'm ranting I still can't quite believe the mayoral election became about ULEZ. It's a city that elected Livingstone and a congestion charge. The majority don't own cars. Someone less mediocre would have laughed at it and focused on some proper policies such as reducing congestion in central London.
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He’s arguably got more of a mandate to do that having won a ‘ULEZ referendum’.
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I think it illustrates the power of certain parts of the media and journalists who are metaphorically (or literally) in bed with people backed by well-funded vested interests. Brexit might have been their greatest project, but the Tufton Street operation has many tentacles. (Actually, a better analogy would be fungus mycelium.)
I still think there is a strong analogy between the private car industry and the gun lobby in the USA: they've persuaded enough people that life would be impossible without most people/families owning at least one car/gun. The strategy is genius in both cases, at least for the industries. And once so much of the economy has reoriented itself around the ubiquity of the products, it seems heretical to step back and say "Hang on a minute, is this actually the most efficient (or best) way?"
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I think you miss the point. Those issues do affect how lots of people vote whether or not you think they should. ULEZ does not affect how a significant majority in London votes.
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It feels like he was bounced into saying there wouldn't be any more changes to ulez while he's in office and no pay per mile.
I guess he didn't rule out new congestion charging. Or pay per day.
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