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Is it right that if another war were to break out in Rwanda, our law now still says it is safe?
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If someone flees persecution on Rwanda, where do they get sent, according to our law?
I think it might be Rwanda.
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Part of the deal is that we accept some asylum resettlement from Rwanda.
There's also nothing to stop people getting off the plane in Rwanda. Spending a short time there then setting off for the UK again.
Current evidence is that this is having no discernible deterrent effect on Channel crossings.
It's hard to think of a more stupid and ineffective policy on which to blow all their remaining political capital and effectively sacrifice the party for a slogan.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Its also a massive vote loser for the socially liberal economically free market crew, which tended to vote Tory in 2010 and 2015.
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“The voters are telling us this is what they want” was the line trotted out this morning. I think they get their focus groups from a select band of right wing nutters and then fool themselves they are representative. I think some of them will be genuinely confused when they get smashed at the election.
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Its a great policy. So long as you apply absolutely no critical thinking whatsoever.
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In full of unpopular opinions at the moment but I honestly think a good majority of Brits are properly anti immigration and while some people won’t like the method it really doesn’t bother them.
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It's a toxic blend of unfair, expensive and ineffective.
Put bluntly, someone crossing in a small boat is more likely to die in the crossing than get sent to Rwanda.
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Labour peers blocking the ‘will of the people’ yesterday.
The people couldn’t give a rats arse.
The logic is all wrong any way. The gangs will still take the money and put them on a cheap dinghy because they are criminals and the asylum seekers are desperate.
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I think it is more a sizeable but very vocal minority to be honest. The old phrase about empty vessels making the most noise and all that. Immigrants are the bogeyman to them, the reason why their lives aren’t what they want as it is easier than accepting any responsibility themselves.
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Precisely.
If the fear of death is not enough to deter them then the remote chance of a trip to Rwanda is of minor consequence.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
And the more people who come on boats, the lower the chance of them being packed off to Rwanda.
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Yes, I saw this elsewhere earlier today , and it’s probably the best and most simple argument against this awful policy.
2020/2021/2022 Metric Century Challenge Winner0 -
It doesn't even work for them. On its best day <500 people are deported to Rwanda with an indeterminate number accepted from Rwanda. So the vast majority will stay in the UK. You'd have to be a bit daft to think that those odds would deter someone who's already beaten much worse odds to get to the French coast.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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It's certainly not just Britain that engages in a "hostile environment".
I have to bring about 15 different documents to get my daughter's Dutch passport renewed as well as attend an embassy appointment. In the embassy they've removed the chairs and made it a sort of steel cage, where the chars are now metal benches without backs.
If you're not obviously Dutch and speak the language they just shout and practically abuse you. Incredibly rude.
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Dutch? Rude?
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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I believe it's another example of the Tories recognising a problem but only hearing the GB News solution
Slightly different in case in that they've successfully missold the nature of their plan to the general public
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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So what's the centre leftie solution to illegal immigration? Very easy to flag off the Tory plan but I don't see any viable alternatives being put forward.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You say that as if the Tory plan is viable.
Process and deport illegal immigrants is presumably the only viable solution, the Rwanda 'plan' doesnt address illegal immigrants though, it addresses asylum seekers in a vindictive and incredibly innefficient way.
I wonder how many people you could employ to process asylum cases for £250 million?
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I think people have previously said - put more processing into the countries where the refugees are arriving plus processing of applications more quickly so they can be returned to their country of origin or given leave to remain.
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Cameron outlining today that Brexit lead to us being unable to return migrants to France as previous thus increasing the problem. Reverse that and we’d be on the way.
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Seeing as this policy does nothing to reduce immigration - so far it appears to increase migration - and costs hundreds of millions, it would be more effective and cheaper, to just do nothing.
Or more sensibly: we used to have our border controls in northern France which seemed to work. I believe that was the Conservative approach in 2015 so maybe doesn't count as the centre left option. And obviously that would require not being a dick to our neighbours so...
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Increase in defence spending sounds like the right thing to do. Think that might dash any thoughts of tax cuts, though.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Why is he saying it’s “fully funded”, however?
I agree, the “peacetime dividend” is no longer paying out so we’ll have to bulk up defence at the expense of other stuff, namely welfare I suspect, but where is he cutting spending to cover the increase?
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So 15 years = 1/3
45 years = whole
Start work at 21/22, finish aat 66/67 - sounds like having 1/3 retire in the next 15 years is very close to what you would expect.
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Didn’t you hear the bit where they are funding it by “cutting the Civil Service” that has grown massively (whatever that actually means in practice).
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