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In 2022, the estimated gross cost of smoking to public finances was £20.6bn in the UK.
Of this, £2.2 billion fell on the NHS, £1.3 billion fell on the social care system, and £17 billion was lost from a reduction in taxes and increased benefit payments, arising from productivity costs, including from tobacco-related lost earnings, unemployment, and premature death.
This is notably more than the £10.3 billion collected in taxes on tobacco in 2021/2.
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Having worked on a 'smokers' ward' as a student for a couple of weeks, I'd suggest this is a somewhat rose-tinted view of dying from lung cancer or emphysema. Just in behind the burns ward in the list of places you don't want to end up.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Not sure that meets the definition of "dwarfed".
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Didn't say dying of smoking-related ailments was pleasant. Just that it's relatively quick.
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Much as I admire the work that CR do - my youngest ran the Manchester Marathon at the weekend to raise funds (blatant plug!) - one has to observe that they are not exactly impartial on this subject, and they provide nothing to back up their numbers.
And of course they exclude the savings on pensions from a shorter life and savings from dying "quickly".
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Compared with what? A quick look at survival rates refers to 5 and 10 year timescales.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Might also be 'heightist'.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Don't want to get too morbid, but two of my grandparents died of smoking related cancer. They went from healthy pensioners to being dead in a matter of months, with a very short stay in hospital for one at the end, with a short period of round-the-clock care at the end at home for the other. My other two grandparents (and my F-i-L) died of "old age" over a lengthy period (2-5 years) involving numerous stays in hospital and then ultimately a care home.
So dying of smoking-related cancer (a major risk factor with smoking) involves dying more quickly than simply dying of "old age".
Re survival rates, not everyone who gets lung cancer from smoking dies from it. Some survive for a long time thereafter. Cancer took two attempts - circa ten years apart - to finish off my Grandad and in between he was fine.
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They haven't, they've made selling them illegal. There's no suggestion that smokers will be criminalised. It's an important distinction.
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Exactly, if someone born before 2009 buys a packet of fags and gives one to someone born after 2009, then this bill doesn’t go there.
Jeez it’s like explaining that once you go over the Severn bridge you don’t have to immediately slow down to 20 mph.
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“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Are they going to lose the government before the election? Strange days from an 80 seat majority.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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I assume it will be a case of Tory boys will be boys
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Or is it Tory pricks will be Tory pricks?
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Also the same guy in the article...
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Well, I think the Tories should just carry on with the Rayner thing. It's bringing in record-breaking polling. "The plan is working", as they keep on saying.
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The Tories will get around 30% in an election, Reform less than 10%. I'm going to say 40-30-5-5 for Lab, Con, Red, Lib at the GE is going to be fairly close.
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He was accused of trying to procure drugs from a Brazillian rent boy so they made him trade envoy to Columbia 😄
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68841840
Mr Menzies has been an MP since 2010 but has never been a government minister.
He has been a parliamentary aide to three Tory ministers - but resigned the last of these roles in 2014, after a newspaper reported allegations from a Brazilian male escort that he paid him for sex and asked him to buy an illegal drug.
At the time, Mr Menzies said a number of the allegations were untrue and he "looked forward to setting the record straight".
He is currently a prime ministerial trade envoy to Colombia, Chile, Peru, and Argentina
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The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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But hang on - didn't Angela Rayners neighbour say she might have claimed a 25% discount on her council tax before she was an MP? Why are the twitterati not going for the big issues?
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Two points:
1) 'International' does not mean 'foreign' any more than the UK is 'foreign' to Devon.
2) 'Snarky' isn't how Prime Ministers should answer valid questions.
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If the Tories thought they'd get 30 percent, I think they'd call it tomorrow
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I think reform will do similarly to UKIP in 2015, if not better, at least in terms of vote share.
Seat wise, I would guess fewer than the Lib Dems.
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Let's see. There is normally a Tory reflexive flinch on election day. 40-30 would still be a comparative landslide.
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Reform will haemorrhage votes come election time.
I can see at least 1/3rd polling reform voters voting Tory to keep labour out.
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