LEAVE the Conservative Party and save your country!
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I guess the good news is that at least parts of the party don't want to devolve into just flat out islamophobia, but there seem to be quite a few at least happy to tolerate a bit of religious discrimination.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Plays well with elements of their core but also, I suspect, in some of those ‘red wall’ seats they took last time.
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I mean who could have predicted that the guy who was kicked out of Labour for being racist, and was then stupid enough to phone his mate to arrange a fake doorstep conversation whilst miked up, would be a poor choice for a senior role in the Conservative party?
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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What's going on? First Mark Francois says something dignified and sensible, now this.
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That's...not gone down well with his followers.
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Good.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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A weekend is a long time in politics...or maybe they were praising Keir for his correct assessment?
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Are they starting to realise that the right-wing stuff isn't playing well with the voters they need to attract? That said, I don't think Begum gets that much sympathy across the spectrum so it's a strange choice to start with!
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I think as dickish as JRM is, it's quite a mainstream sensible thing to say that you can't just chose to disown the citizens you don't like and leave them nationless.
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Scanning the article it seems to have as much to do with JRM embracing the chance to talk about "the constitution" as much as it does JRM embracing his humanity.
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She was 15 and arguably groomed, and is now a pawn in a political game. What am I missing here?
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From the little I've seen of the case what she is missing is remorse. I admit to a lot of ignorance in the case though.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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People who willingly join Isis deserve to be punished.
Not sure disowning them as citizens really does that. Throw the book at her. I'm sure the judges can decide whether to mitigate for the context in which she went or not.
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I suspect if you did a poll of the British public there would be a significant majority in favour of her not being allowed her citizenship back. I don't agree, I just think that is likely to be the majority view as a lot of people don't really look beyond the headline story and have very simplistic views.
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Correct, but the news has been relentlessly one sided about this. She returned as an adult, but left as a child. She is being judged as an adult. I am not comfortable with that, personally, and it seems to me that an awful lot of effort has gone into making an example of her.
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Leaving someone to rot in a refugee camp, with little chance of successfully getting the other citizenship she is entitled to, seems a serious punishment.
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Noting that I don't agree with the decision at all and never have, the judge's argument was that how she became a threat to national security was not relevant in the home secretary's rights to protect the UK.
I struggle to see how she will be this great threat to national security.
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lol I think this says more how we treat refugees.
Britain should take responsibility for its own citizens.
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I absolutely agree. I don't really find any of the arguments to strip her of her citizenship that convincing.
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Basic point is that there should be only one class of British Citizen, not two. The latter is an extremely dangerous slippery slope. Secondary point was that the fault is in the law that creates two classes of citizen and allows the HS to unilaterally revoke citizenship without the person having been found guilty of any offence.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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One of the rare vaguely sensible articles in the Telegraph:
The real significance of this spat is that it reveals yet again the fissure in the Conservative Party’s electoral coalition and the impossibility of now healing it. Politics is now realigned around the issue of national identity, which this controversy speaks to. In the new political world one side of politics adheres to nationalism, rejects supranational cosmopolitanism (including the array of international conventions the UK is signed up to), and supports a traditional idea of British national identity. The other side supports the idea that law (including international law) should override popular majorities in some cases, believes in a more open and cosmopolitan notion of British identity, and is comfortable with the globalised economy and world that has emerged since the 1980s. At one time these two groups of voters (or large parts of both groups) were united by their shared views on a different question, that of economics, capitalism versus socialism. This is no longer true. Economic issues no longer have greater salience and importance for voters than ones of culture and identity. And it is no longer practicable to combine support for free market capitalism with national and traditional patriotism in the way that Enoch Powell and Margaret Thatcher did. The capitalist world economy that has grown up steadily since the 1980s is truly transnational. Its major firms and institutions have only weak and transient links with particular nation states. Above all, it needs a truly global legal system to function, alongside a global capital market and, increasingly, a global labour market. It cannot be combined in its existing form with independent national policy. In the new world, the right of British politics can either stick with capitalism as it is and support free market cosmopolitanism or it can go the route of nationalism and try to recreate a national capitalism. If it does the first it will lose the Red Wall, if the second then the Blue Wall is gone. The row over Lee Anderson shows the result of refusing to make that choice.
(Sorry about the single paragraph for quoted text.)
Brexit was the only thing holding it together, and now they can't even cling to that.
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I suspect the more sensible MPs don’t mind.
The nutters will all lose their seats in an election already lost and the sensible MPs will rebuild the party in their image.
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I realise that Thick Lizzy has gone full conspiraloon Tufton Street funded walkabout and 30p Lee is the current, this week, front
manperson, but this tickled me
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That's what I hope. I suppose we should be grateful (🤞🤞) that we haven't got a Trump to take the whole Tory Party down the authoritarian route, not that some of the loons wouldn't be willing participants.
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No. Because the feedback from voters is drowned out by the loud applause from GB News etc.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
What makes you think the sensible ones will retain their seats? I fear the opposite will happen as the nutters seem to often have the safest seats.
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That didn't happen to Labour at the last general election when they got their collective ar$es deservedly kicked.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Some journalist made the point that the seats that will go are those held by the nutters largely, according to tje polls
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It'll be interesting to see how Farage picks over the dead bones of the Tory Party.
My metaphor breaks down after that. Maybe it should be more along the lines of the zombie ant fungus, which makes the ant drop to the forest floor then attach itself to the underside of a leaf, whereupon the ant dies, the fungus having got itself where it wanted.
Yes, I think that will do as a metaphor, for more than one reason.
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