Today's discussion about the news
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Not Boeing is it?
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😂 They don't say who. Probably for good reason, but I doubt it is Boeing. More likely Lockheed.
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Rick is making valid points. I could tell you more but then I'd have to kill you. 😉
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The missile failed RC.
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doubt it'll be made public
the more complex stuff gets, the more it fails
imo it's not a bad failure rate for systems that have to survive for years in that environment and be ready to launch on demand
way back i was designing something that would be installed in submarines and frigates, it had to exceed a certain predicted mtbf using the usa military reliability models, 'missile launch' was the second harshest environment, compared to 'ground benign' the factor ranged from 10-ish to well over a hundred depending on component type, even just sitting around inside a sub is quite harsh
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Maybe I have misunderstood the argument here. All I was saying is the poor performance of trident has been going for a long time, and tbh, the submarine is as important as the missile.
the whole point is no one knows where the missiles are at any given point and you can nuke enemies after you have yourself been nuked.
That doesn’t work when the subs are permanently broken or the sailors mentally shattered because the deployments are too long.
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Not arguing your other points, but the sailors are fine.
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Has any of that actually happened? Or did one of the fleet need maintenance?
I'm fairly sympathetic to that, given what neutrons do to metal. Not that I'd want to work on one either mind you.
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To your questions, yes, and yes. Frequently.
This is quite often in the news.
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Record length deployments are being used more and more often (see HMS audacious) and wringing out more days of deployment out of fewer ships will cause more problems with both the ships and crew.
Problems with Trident and how effective it is in reality have been on Britain’s radar for half a decade, with the problems becoming more severe and more evident recently.
The reality is either the govt needs to spend another fortune on what they have already spent or they should recognise the limits of a medium sized country and trade in their failing capability that already relies on the US for their umbrella in return for improved conventional battlefield investment and a bigger standing army.
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Are they? Isn't recruitment generally a mess and is there not a fair amount of churn?
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Depends on the type of propulsion the subs are using I think.
- Genesis Croix de Fer
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They are fine according to the people I know who are actually onboard. Churn may depend on those choosing early retirement pension and going into another career.
No comment on recruiting the feckless young. 😉
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The problem with a lot of the news is context. These aren't Volkswagen golfs, they are basically floating prototypes and shouldn't be expected to run for 100 miles without issue.
So the missing context is how reliable they can be expected to be. More than they are possibly, but how much more is less clear.
And I don't think it unfair to point out that Admiral Melchit proclaiming something that would result in more funding is not necessarily without ulterior motive. They actually teach that sort of thing at Dartmouth I suspect.
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They are not cars no. They have totally different safety and reliability requirements.
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The MP debate about whether they should vote for a ceasefire is a pretty depressing listen
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On a submarine? Everything.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Except they are expected to run for 1000s of miles without issue (and cost the appropriate amount of money), particularly by those on board. That they have issues is a concern for those on board, and those who know them.
Reliability issues are a major embarrassment for the builders, who will lose future contracts although really that just means switching between the two. Looking to abroad for the future would be a major embarrassment for any government taking that decision but probably a wise one in the long run. See also the navy ships and the ferries up in Scotland for cost, deliverability and reliability. Shipbuilding for the government in this country is just a cash cow. Dare say HS2 was the same, and every project in all probability.
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I'd feel attacked about the feckless young, but I'm rapidly getting to be feckless and middle aged!
Certainly my understanding is that if you can hack being on a sub as an engineer, it's a pretty reasonable career option. It seems to pave the way to reasonably lucrative private sector jobs.
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That is definitely true. One of my sons is testimony.
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Just been looking at the text updates on the BBC. It is a grim outlook. I can’t help thinking it is a pointless debate if neither side is interested in listening.
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Might as well give a Paddington hard stare.
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One of the more egotistical debates around.
You think Hamas or the IDF go “ah, the British House of Commons wants a ceasefire. I won’t bomb those civilians”
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Debate got very heated….
So speaker is in the dog house for selecting the labour amendment for an immediate ceasefire. SNP and Tories walkout, amendment passes without a vote.
Speaker being accused of being pressured by labour (Sue Gray), He has apologised and also says he has not met her today.
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Complete stitch-up and the main debate of the day gets nullified. Quite convenient for some.
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Gaza conflict sorted though so not all bad
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He seems to be the only one with these recollections.
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Clearly the others aren’t going to keep copies of things they say we’re never said.
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Fantastic news indeed.
Seems like everyone has covered themselves in glory over it too and not tried to win any political points over it.
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