LEAVE the Conservative Party and save your country!
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They have successfully taken over the Republican Party in the US, the Conservative Party in the UK, are the most popular party in Holland, get their candidate in the final French presidential run off on the reg, are the biggest right wing party in Germany according to polls and are in charge in Italy, Hungary and Sweden and were in charge of Poland for over a decade.
Farage achieved his main political ambition.
I don’t know how that is not success.
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Point of order, as someone who often said the same.
i think an absolutely fundamental pillar of fascism is the belief that conflict between people and societies is ultimately beneficial and so they are not just militaristic, but fundamentally orientated towards total and endless war.
That’s why is so awful.
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They've taken over the Conservatives and are quite likely to see them out of power for two parliaments. That's grabbing hold of the steering wheel and driving over a cliff rather than off into the sunset. Majority view on Brexit is that it's a bit sh*t. I'll give you the US one. They are in real trouble.
The French have always flirted pretty heavily with hard right nationalism as has Italy. There are massive protests against AfD. The Dutch clearly haven't learnt from the other populist failures.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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I mean more it is the dominant conservative force now. Has muscled out the neocon pro business low state interference model.
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I'm not sure any of that can accurately be described as an intellectual argument
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Agree that people like the One Nation conservatives need to be a bit less meek and act like they actually want to be in charge. That said, that split goes back to the early 19th century.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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I'm sorry but do you really think the Neanderthals with MAGA caps know what a supra-national organisation is? Be serious.
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They were probably just trying to find a more intellectual label than conned neanderthal muppets.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
They would perhaps just call them foreigners.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Just to be clear, I also think the analysis RC posted is a thin disguise for working back from the conclusion already reached.
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You think? I mean, it’s the opposite of the generational divide you see here in the UK.
We all know why I think the Uk is different like that but in France, Holland, Germany, Italy, it’s the young people voting for the Nat Cons, not older people.
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You need to go over there, visit a shitty town in Nevada where a Twinkie is considered a vegetable, go to a bar. And talk politics.
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Yeah thats interesting for sure.
I think labour is more appealing if your are a wokey simpleton.
Has wokeysimpleviretuesignalling taken over to the same extent elsewhere?
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If they watch fox they’ll not want to send $60bn to Ukraine, and if they watch trump they’ll hear him say Putin can go attack any nato member that doesn’t spend 2% or more on defence.
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How many Americans know that the distance between the US and Russia is two and a half miles?
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I’m not sure.
i have some fledgling idea that the broader realignment can be be boiled down to a general idea that the most important things need to be solved internationally, and those who think nations know their own interest best.
So if you are concerned with climate change or the benefits of trade and free markets, including labour etc you will naturally be more interested in international agreements, frameworks, organisations to address those, and those Nat cons will oppose that.
I guess if you are young you and your opportunities are worse then the previous generations’ opportunities at your age, it is tempting to blame the outside world.
Perhaps in the UK it’s as basic as the decline for young people so closely coincided with the Conservatives that they uniquely are taking the blame for that.
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Call me silly but older people are blaming the Conservatives too. The election results will show this.
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I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Define old. RC thinks Boomers are the over 40s.
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I think he is referring to over 70s. That seems to be his latest metric from recent graphs.
Maybe the age just increases as his does? 🤣
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I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
That is how generations work yes...
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Meh, the current Conservatives are pretty ineffectual at actually putting any of the alt right stuff into practice. I think (some) UK young people would find the ideas attractive. It's just that anyone with even half a brain finds it difficult to take the conservatives seriously when they claim to want to (for example) lower immigration.
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Yeah, I hate being the same age as old people.
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I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Anyway, I think it’s not unreasonable to frame what we’ve seen in the Uk since 2016 from the conservatives in a wider Western political phenomenon, and I’d suggest those who feel my particular narrow bugbears that I put forward as the root of all evils currently, could find some fodder in looking at it in that wider context.
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True, but I think you, or the FT, are giving far too much intellectual credit to populists. Personally, I think they are opportunists pedaling snake oil. Simple solutions to complex problems, with no underlying intention to actually solve them.
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That's as accurate as saying France is next to Brazil.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Just dismissing them - the people running AfD, PiS, Fidesz, Reform, PVV, etc - as stupid is a mistake. They might be more interested in enriching themselves than actually having to deal with the difficulties of government decision making but they aren't stupid. Why would they not seek like minded grifters to exchange notes?
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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I suppose 50 miles is more representative.
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I maintain that it is mistaken to try to rationalise and attribute a coherent political philosophy to them. The opportunity for the opportunists is power, influence, popularity and money. That's not exclusive if being clever about it, but there's no greater good intended.
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Hmm, I suspect that there are some clever people who know how to pull the strings of people like Donald Trump. Their interest is in chaos, as they calculate, probably accurately, that they have placed themselves nicely to profit from chaos and reinforce their power to profit.
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