LEAVE the Conservative Party and save your country!

Workers outnumber pensioners. Pensioners votes could be redundant if workers wanted to vote opposite.

RC, if you overwintered in a grand hotel in the mountains, you would end up typing the same tweet thousands of times, before trying to murder your wife with an axe.

That must be a US meme, because they've raised takes here.

I think the environmental problems divide along age too.

boring

It quite possibly is (with a dose of education thrown in - see my comments about geriatric Topsham being a hotbed of Labour support now), but I think we've got your POV now without a link to another piece of analysis each time. On the plus side, all us boomers will be dead by the time you're our age, if you're lucky.

Depending on how you define need, that could be a pretty big shrinkage.

I think @First.Aspect deserves the acclaim it'll bring him. I started the cars thread exactly because I was bored of you petrolheads wanging on about those tin boxes with wheels.

It's not exactly worked though has it. Now we have two threads about cars.

Also it does give you the chance to use 🚓🚨👮‍♂️ emojis when there's an infraction.

Well if you want a different perspective, very interesting podcast from the economist (paywalled) on the new National conservative movement.

Basically suggests that what’s unusual is there is a growing effort to internationalise this national conservative moment which is quite different to the old liberal neocon ideology.

So it draws a line between the likes of Wilders, Orban, Trump, Farage, Braveman, Weidel etc, and they interview someone they consider to be the intellectual centre of the movement.

Not super easy to define but basically it can be characterised as a reactionary movement to concerns about “external” pressures, whether that is globalisation (eg sending manual work to China, etc), immigration, climate change mitigation and concerns about what they feel is a highly ideologically charged institutions, most prominently education.

I could go on but I guess the interesting bit for the UK is the takeover of Johnson, Patel, Braveman, Sunak type politicians in the UK in the wake of Brexit, a real watershed moment in the NatCon movement makes more sense in this more global context.

What’s unusual is how in the rest of the world it’s more popular amongst the young, especially men, whereas in the UK it’s the over 60s, which is for example the opposite of France, Netherlands, US, Germany etc.

The intellectual argument might sound more familiar here than you’d think.

a few tennants:

• shouldn’t be up to the west to police the world, and run the world on the basis that liberal democracy is better for everyone regardless. Maybe India is better run as a dictatorship etc.
• This in turn runs into an argument against supra-national organisations, because countries ought to be able to be bespoke in how they run their affairs - so it’s anti EU, anti-NATO, anti-UN. (Including human rights acts etc). @thebigbean - sound familiar?
• globalisation has ruined the social contract about the rewards of work and needs to be stopped. It only rewards certain types.
• Immigration is a burden too heavy on a society and is the other side of the coin of globalisation - they shouldn’t export jobs and shouldn’t import foreigners to do the jobs at home.

Ugh. Spare me from all these whinging, entitled nationalists. The comfort one takes from this is that the NatCon parasites are so useless that they've killed their host.

Success? Farage has done financially well and he's a great self-publicist, but the country is moving away from the one thing he could conceivably claim as 'his' achievement. No other countries are looking to join us. The Dutch are about to find out the hard way that populists are bad at governing. Orban has been slapped into line by the EU because he is entirely reliant on their money to pay his friends.

rebranded fascism

common thread of the 'other' as the enemy, claiming to bring freedom while stifling it, stripping the people of rights, while enriching themselves at their expense