2024 Election thread
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Mmm, you are making it sound complicated.
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When do we get to the stage where they ask for volunteers and everyone takes a step backwards?
Maybe that's how Rishi got it in the first place. Fits my memory of the leadership campaign.
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Colour by numbers
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Simon who?
Why bother to resign at this point. You look disloyal, it's not newsworthy enough to make name for yourself and it's a poor choice financially.
Sit it out then if you don't fancy being in opposition, stand down before the next election.
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I think the loons are just taking turns in lobbing grenades into Sunak's dugout. Wrecker Frost's commissioned opinion poll was the set-up to try to destabilise enough to get Sunak out. Wreckers, the lot of them. And they care not one jot about what it does to the UK.
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Ah, this one should suit the next leader of the Tories. It's what the previous three have done, literally or figuratively. Can you manage without the numbers to help you?
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Having listened to an in depth interview with Simon Clarke the other day, I think he's completely sincere. I think he has somehow completely lost his grip on where public feeling is but I did not get the sense of someone looking for an angle. He seemed to genuinely believe that if they could just get one plane of asylum applicants off the ground then somehow that would make a difference. Felt slightly sorry for him getting so sucked into the whole Rwanda bollox that he'd lost sight of it just being a gimmick and thought it was the core policy of the party.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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I’m not sure these MPs understand the polling.
Comparing Sunak to a fantasy leader is obviously going to poll badly for Sunak.
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They don't understand that this is the end of their elaborate plans. That soon they will be in a desperate land, lost in a Roman wilderness of pain.
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Their batshit-craziness was perfectly illustrated by their blabbering on about the lefty woke financial markets not understanding Truss's genius 'fiscal event'. It's just about as credible as the captain of the Titanic saying that the iceberg didn't understand how unsinkable the Titanic was.
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Even if there was a clear and obvious replacement for Sunak, there's not really enough time before the election for a leadership conference, and for the new leader to assert their authority on the situation.
It's bat shit.
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I wonder why people laugh at him.
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Labour turned right wing nut job, interesting!
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Because he does lots of stupid things in public.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Just seen the Telegraph graphics for that ridiculous bit of wish fulfillment. Might as well have written in 'own personal genie of the lamp' as the second option.
Bizarre that the Telegraph is attacking the PM when their buy out/rescue is up for review.
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The demise of the telegraph seems to mirror the Tory party.
to think the Tories used to have a reputation for being disciplined, especially in elections.
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Yes indeed. Difficult/sobering to remember that the Telegraph were advocating for Remain at the start.
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Much like someone we know on here.
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I might have mentioned that in the Bxxxxx thread. More than once. Certainly in the case of the Telegraph, it's been curious to observe the shift from right-of-centre pragmatism/practicality into the weird culture wars nonsense they seem to be in the grip of now. I'm not sure if the writers actually believe what they publish, or if they've just worked out that it sells papers.
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I'd go with the latter.
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I'd say they've fallen into the trap that it is what think their readers want to read in the same way that the Tories think their policies are what their voters want to hear whereas the reality it is scaring off all but the fringes of their target audience.
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And then, occasionally, someone writes something vaguely sensible for it.
What we have had instead is a reversion to the comfort zone of a combination of free market rhetoric and cultural conservatism. This no longer works, not least because the number of voters who identify with that combination of views is now too small. The problem is that the old electoral coalition, united round the issue of low taxes and free markets is now irreparably split over the new one of national identity. One group of potential Conservative voters are free market inclined while socially liberal and cosmopolitan. The other target group are less keen on free markets (especially big business) and strongly nationalist. It is nearly impossible to appeal to both. The party has to choose which half of its old coalition it will write off in the longer term. It has refused to make that choice and has managed to alienate both lots of voters. It is a true masterclass in political ineptitude.
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Seems like a reasonable assessment although I'm not quite sure I agree. My opinion is they have decided to go all in on the second group, possibly on the basis of Brexit and he 2019 election success but there simply aren't enough people in that camp (maybe due to them seeing that Brexit hasn't got rid of all the evils they were told it would).
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Seems that Rishi is desperate to take the position of most pathetic politician back from Lee by reappointing him as Chair.
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Funny that. Do you know how I voted in 2016? 🙂
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Mmmm I dunno I think newspapers reflect the audience rather than lead it.
I think there was a real appetite for snobbish reactionaryism, a rather than the Mail’s rather more uncouth aspirational reactionaryism
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I was thinking more that they've misread the audience and have gone all in on the right wing nutjob approach thinking that's what they want which might explain why they are struggling.
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Interesting that the cap fits. 🤣
I can't seem to be able to copy and paste old posts but this part from one of yours leads to conclusions.
"As mentioned above, we should be helping the rest of the EU to reform. I'd rather do that from within, but in the end the impact of BREXIT may be the catalyst for more far reaching EU change.
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