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Things are looking quite good.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/10/labour-leadership-election-unite-jeremy-corbyn-boost
Given that Osborne has taken most of the Labours policies (now inc rent control no less), i expect right now, Ossie is reading through Corbyns manifesto for next aprils budget too
vote cameron, get corbyn :?:0 -
I think the opposite is true - vote Corbyn, get Cameron (or his successor). It's just that some Corbyn supporters don't realise thisThings are looking quite good.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/10/labour-leadership-election-unite-jeremy-corbyn-boost
Given that Osborne has taken most of the Labours policies (now inc rent control no less), i expect right now, Ossie is reading through Corbyns manifesto for next aprils budget too
vote cameron, get corbyn :?:
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I think the opposite is true - vote Corbyn, get Cameron (or his successor). It's just that some Corbyn supporters don't realise thisThings are looking quite good.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/10/labour-leadership-election-unite-jeremy-corbyn-boost
Given that Osborne has taken most of the Labours policies (now inc rent control no less), i expect right now, Ossie is reading through Corbyns manifesto for next aprils budget too
vote cameron, get corbyn :?:
you are missing the irony here stevo, so i ll spell it out for you.
throughout the election, we were all told rent controls would make us like cuba or similar, that a higher min wage would lead to mass unemployment, that the non dom status changes would lead to dis investment etc etc but now it seems that all these policies are great for the UK and there is Camerons " we have no plans to cut working tax benefit" only to do a Clegg on that policy :shock:
So given that corbyn no doubt has even more left wing schemes up his sleeve, it makes sense for Cameron to make a further assault on labours think tank or as R4 stated "Osborne has parked his tanks all over Labours garden"
anyhow, if too many people vote Corbyn, you might get the real thing in no10 :?:0 -
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I'm well aware of Osbourne's policies thanks
I think the opposite is true - vote Corbyn, get Cameron (or his successor). It's just that some Corbyn supporters don't realise thisThings are looking quite good.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/10/labour-leadership-election-unite-jeremy-corbyn-boost
Given that Osborne has taken most of the Labours policies (now inc rent control no less), i expect right now, Ossie is reading through Corbyns manifesto for next aprils budget too
vote cameron, get corbyn :?:
you are missing the irony here stevo, so i ll spell it out for you.
throughout the election, we were all told rent controls would make us like cuba or similar, that a higher min wage would lead to mass unemployment, that the non dom status changes would lead to dis investment etc etc but now it seems that all these policies are great for the UK and there is Camerons " we have no plans to cut working tax benefit" only to do a Clegg on that policy :shock:
So given that corbyn no doubt has even more left wing schemes up his sleeve, it makes sense for Cameron to make a further assault on labours think tank or as R4 stated "Osborne has parked his tanks all over Labours garden"
anyhow, if too many people vote Corbyn, you might get the real thing in no10 :?:
Try looking at some of the detail. You'll find that the non dom rule brings them into full UK tax on worldwide income if they have been UK resident for 15 of the last 20 years. Even when non dom, they still pay tax on UK source income as before.
What rent controls are you talking about? Or are you predicting that they are next on his list?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
housing associations 1% rent cut0
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Given the number of times I've out-argued you, it's probably not all good newsHee hee hee.
i ve never read any argument put forward by you that out-agues anyone.
your man cameron has done nothing about illegal immigration, nothing about the N v S divide, nothing about youth unemployment and its cause, poor education and is now being blanked at euro summit for his agenda for change.... Dave... no one is listening, tory threat to leave euroland? so what exactly would the french do with the uk borders staff on their land and the 1000s who want to come to the uk ??? yep you guessed correctly
Cameron is a straw man, rhetoric and nothing else.
As the Bromton cycles guy said on R4 "better to have 100,000 hi quality apprenticeships than 3million poor ones" (which is what that xxxx cmeron wants) Bromton man went on to say they would be just used as "cheap labour"... a YTS scheme in otherwords, the Tories have slashed the budget to Further education colleges but all is ok in Stevo towers :roll:
Despite your comments a sitting political party increased their majority.
Do you realise how rare that fact is?
So given all your points are correct, how bad were labour in the eyes of the electorate?
Whatever your political persuasion you have to admire the tenacity, intelligence and resolve shown by the Tory electoral machine.“Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime. Teach a man to cycle and he will realize fishing is stupid and boring”
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No argument from me over that Slowmart, the Tories have done a brilliant job, and in the spirit of this thread, helped by an incompetent Labour leader....0
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And that encapsulates everything wrong with modern politicians
It has been said we get the politicians we deserve though......“Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime. Teach a man to cycle and he will realize fishing is stupid and boring”
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yep !No argument from me over that Slowmart, the Tories have done a brilliant job, and in the spirit of this thread, helped by an incompetent Labour leader....http://veloviewer.com/SigImage.php?a=3370a&r=3&c=5&u=M&g=p&f=abcdefghij&z=a.png
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At the risk of getting serious in the thread the position Labour finds itself in is fascinating. Having lost an election by turning it's traditional blue collar worker base away with it's immigration policy (driving Labour supporters of 30yrs+ to vote UKIP is quite an achievement) they are stuck with moving back left or aping Conservative policy, in which case people realise they may as well vote Tory anyway. The seeming Left/Right opinion split between Scotland and the south of England is complicating things for them further and I don't see how they can bridge that. Then today Harman has seemingly infuriated the remnants of the left of the party by endorsing the recent budget. Labour could well be two parties in a few years.0
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Hardly universal rent control is it :roll:housing associations 1% rent cut"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Hardly universal rent control is it :roll:housing associations 1% rent cut
Tories said this (about any sort of rent control) during the election
"the most effective technique presently known to destroy a city - except for bombing".
So a bit of a u turn, even if it only effect's HA (at the moment) which are a huge supplier of social housing.
given the amount of monet pouring into private landlords pockets, dead money, just like renting a property when you can afford to buy, so if Osbournes serious, this is one area that needs addressing, he ll come round in the end!0 -
Yes, the Tories aren't doing enough about emigrants
COUNTRY OF RESIDENCE NUMBER OF GB EMIGRANTS
Australia 1,208,000
United States 701,000
Canada 675,000
Spain 411,000
Ireland 397,000
New Zealand 268,000
France 173,000
Germany 155,000
Netherlands 46,000
Philippines 42,000
"Britain's brightest leaving in brain drain and replaced with low skilled migrants" - Daily Torygraph0 -
OK, here are some facts. All that Osbourne is doing is altering a pre-existing formula that governs rent rate increases in this sector, from Consumer Price Index (CPI) + 1% to CPI - 1% for 4 years:
Hardly universal rent control is it :roll:housing associations 1% rent cut
Tories said this (about any sort of rent control) during the election
"the most effective technique presently known to destroy a city - except for bombing".
So a bit of a u turn, even if it only effect's HA (at the moment) which are a huge supplier of social housing.
given the amount of monet pouring into private landlords pockets, dead money, just like renting a property when you can afford to buy, so if Osbournes serious, this is one area that needs addressing, he ll come round in the end!
http://www.socialhousing.co.uk/has-ordered-to-cut-social-housing-rents-by-1-per-year-for-four-years/7010692.article
Here is the relevant bit:
"The reversal of the rental formula, which currently allows HAs to raise rents in line with the consumer prices index (CPI) plus 1 per cent and forms a significant part of their investment profile, came as part of £12bn of welfare reform savings the Conservative government wants to make by 2019-20.
The government has said it will reinstate CPI plus 1 per cent after four years."
So this is not introducing rent contol, is it.
Did you not understand the point, or were you hoping to claim a vindication of a leftie policy by claiming what you did above and hoping that nobody would check the facts? "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
no its rent control, you ve just done a typical accountants (i used to be married to one) trick of complicating a simple issue - Osbourne is restricting HA ability to increase rents to what they could have pre budget, its a common enough heralded policy so no need for subterfuge
the right v left thing you need to let go off, every political commentator worth his salt states that the tories have stolen much of labours thunder, to the extent that labour are now going to to support the welfare bill, they have for the time being run out of fresh ideas and ideals
Cameron wanted a cabinet of the people, so taking ideas from left and right may not be such a bad thing?
So, as much as i hate to say it, you guys will have the whip hand for the foreseeable future and (something we can agree on) i also do not see labour getting in for at least 2 parliaments, if not longer, lets see what a fist you lot make of it ?0 -
No doubt he has shot a few Labour foxes - where it is shown to help achieve the aims of making the country's expenses manageable.
But your claim that Osbourne has introduced rent contols simply isn't true. The rules for HA's are already there and all he has done is change the number to further limit what can be charged by a particular sector. The fact that it is CPI -1 may well mean that there are still rent increases allowed if the CPI is more than 1%. So stop trying to wriggle off the hook
Now if you try to extend rent controls to the private sector, which is what the Tories were really referring to as a bad idea, then there may well be different consequences."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
No doubt he has shot a few Labour foxes - where it is shown to help achieve the aims of making the country's expenses manageable.
Now if you try to extend rent controls to the private sector, which is what the Tories were really referring to as a bad idea, then there may well be different consequences.
Yep good enough for berlin, which can see the damage that uncontrolled rents do to a city.0 -
So, how many cities impose rent controls and how many do not? That should give a better idea of how good an idea this is seen to be.No doubt he has shot a few Labour foxes - where it is shown to help achieve the aims of making the country's expenses manageable.
Now if you try to extend rent controls to the private sector, which is what the Tories were really referring to as a bad idea, then there may well be different consequences.
Yep good enough for berlin, which can see the damage that uncontrolled rents do to a city."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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Never underestimate the power of idiots in large numbers "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
That's the spirit, Jezza!! Come on son!
http://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/jul/15/jeremy-corbyn-announces-10bn-plan-to-scrap-university-tuition-fees0 -
Never underestimate the power of idiots in large numbers
Are you refering to people like your self, who seemingly may have distorted this election?
According to the political magazine, Corbyn's support is coming from "new recruits and younger members".
There's been some speculation that Tories have been signing up to take part in the election to vote for Corbyn - in the hope that he will make the party unelectable.0 -
That's the spirit, Jezza!! Come on son!
http://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/jul/15/jeremy-corbyn-announces-10bn-plan-to-scrap-university-tuition-fees
Yeah, scrapping tuition fees is a certain way to lose votes, isn't it?0 -
Or maybe the Unite union, which has signed up 'en bloc' to support Corbyn? :roll:
Never underestimate the power of idiots in large numbers
Are you refering to people like your self, who seemingly may have distorted this election?
Do you think that Corbyn would make Labour more electable or less electable if he became Labour leader?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Or maybe the Unite union, which has signed up 'en bloc' to support Corbyn? :roll:
Never underestimate the power of idiots in large numbers
Are you refering to people like your self, who seemingly may have distorted this election?
Do you think that Corbyn would make Labour more electable or less electable if he became Labour leader?
As i ve said to you before, what i think is immaterial but also as i ve also told you, you r are a professional accountant, chartered or certified ? and attempting to distort an election for your own personal interests should be beneath you.
but to answer your question, Corbyn will limit labours appeal, not because his views wouldn't chime with the electorate but because he ll never get a fair hearing, as can be seen before the result is even drawn.0 -
Who knew Liberal Democrats held the political democratic process in such high esteem eh?
It's pathetic if you are serious about voting in the labour election just to screw them.
If you did it to get a rise on a forum, then well done.
Excellent moderation bro.
Do BR employ you to moderate, or just to pick fights on the internet?0 -
Careful what you wish for!!0 -
Do you think that Corbyn would make Labour more electable or less electable if he became Labour leader?
It all rather depends on 1) what the Labour manifesto says at the next election 2) how well he performs in public debates 3) whether or not the Tory media launch a load of personal attacks on him.0 -
When did I ever say this was for my own personal interests? I'm doing this for the good of the country I love.
Or maybe the Unite union, which has signed up 'en bloc' to support Corbyn? :roll:
Never underestimate the power of idiots in large numbers
Are you refering to people like your self, who seemingly may have distorted this election?
Do you think that Corbyn would make Labour more electable or less electable if he became Labour leader?
As i ve said to you before, what i think is immaterial but also as i ve also told you, you r are a professional accountant, chartered or certified ? and attempting to distort an election for your own personal interests should be beneath you.
but to answer your question, Corbyn will limit labours appeal, not because his views wouldn't chime with the electorate but because he ll never get a fair hearing, as can be seen before the result is even drawn.
For info I joined up under the Labour party rules fair and square, just like the 50,000 Unite members that have been signed up as Labour supporters recently. I'm sure that none of them are doing it for their own personal interests
And please don't try to kid yourself with the tired old leftie delusion that 'the policies are right, he just won't get the message across/won't get a fair hearing'. Milipede and Labour got plenty of air time in the run up to the general election and they got a right drubbing. Corbyn is way more left wing than Milipede and an electoral liability of Michael Foot proportions. Believe me, I want Corbyn to win and to get his message across loud and clear and as often as possible You really won't need the media to help the electorate make their minds up.
Even parts of the Labour party seems to be getting panicky about a possible Corbyn win. Some of them are sensible enough to realise what it will mean for the party."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
