Leg Press anyone?

tim wand wrote:

Awesome from Sir Chris. Wonder what Cav could push, not half of that I d Imagine.

Well in Watt terms, I think that Cav said in his Sky documentary he pushed 1600/1700W with training. A month or so back I was at an event where people were using a Watt bike to advertise something. The banner behind had a scale of people on bikes power, at the bottom it said that Sir Chris pushes 2200W :shock:

brettjmcc wrote:

tim wand wrote:

Awesome from Sir Chris. Wonder what Cav could push, not half of that I d Imagine.

Well in Watt terms, I think that Cav said in his Sky documentary he pushed 1600/1700W with training. A month or so back I was at an event where people were using a Watt bike to advertise something. The banner behind had a scale of people on bikes power, at the bottom it said that Sir Chris pushes 2200W :shock:

Some of those top sprinters have hit 2500 but most of them know that it is their average power for 15-30 seconds that wins them bike races. The peak torques involved in heavy squatting far exceed the peak torques from studies on world class French and British sprinters which illustrate that training for maximum strength or power in the gym outside of training movement patterns unrelated to cycling are building a strength capacity that has nothing to do with their performance demands.

Most sprinters like lifting weights and think they are strong but compare them to the strength of powerlifters or the power of Olympic Weightlifters they are pretty average. Chris Hoy at 90kg has a peak squat of 500lbs which is 90lb short of the woman's world record for squat in the 90kg class. A good 400lb shy of the men's world record.

Point is most sprinters have more strength than the greatest resistance they will ever encounter on the bike. They would be wiser spending their time training their anaerobic capacity.

CoachFergie wrote:

Most sprinters like lifting weights and think they are strong but compare them to the strength of powerlifters or the power of Olympic Weightlifters they are pretty average. Chris Hoy at 90kg has a peak squat of 500lbs which is 90lb short of the woman's world record for squat in the 90kg class. A good 400lb shy of the men's world record.

As a keen Olympic Weightlifter I can confirm, yes they are about average weights he is pushing. But he needs to push pretty hard on those track bikes and it seems to be working well for him....

CoachFergie wrote:

Polonium. wrote:

As a keen Olympic Weightlifter I can confirm, yes they are about average weights he is pushing. But he needs to push pretty hard on those track bikes and it seems to be working well for him....

And you think the forces involved in a sport that takes between 9.5sec to 43sec to complete will come close to the forces involved in a sport that takes less than a second. Weight training has more to do with the riders psyche than a real assessment of the demands of each sprint event. I have a road rider I coach who wont put down the barbell till I prise it from his cold dead hands as he feels it would rob him of power in his sprint. Even despite the fact his over-developed upper body limits him on the hills and for the last three years at road nationals he hasn't been in the lead group to unleash his max strength at the finish.

I dont usally get involved in slaggings in forums, and thats my true name up there and I'm working through my coaching badges and work in a learning and coaching environment (I train people joining the Infantry) that is poor/bad coaching on your part to allow him to do that. There is no percific goal setting or structure to his training and he is paying you to get him in the lead group to 'unleash his max strength'

There is no way i'd allow that to happen 'here you go fella theres a rifle and some ammo crack on and do your own thing' i'd loose my job, if that person is not lisening you as is mentor/trainer should have the moral courage and integrity to get a grip of him and guide him the correct way. Even if it envolves being blunt. The fact that you say you have successful riders, i'm telling him to do it but f him if he isnt lisening to me also is very wrong, if somebody doesnt lisen to me then I sit them down and tell them so, you either work with me and we will together succede or we wont work together at all. Im very shocked in your post there, very shocked.

CoachFergie wrote:

Neil Buckley wrote:

I dont usally get involved in slaggings in forums

And I wouldn't unless I knew the full story.

Sounds like you have some more learning to do before you become a real coach.

We never stop learning and i've been doing it for a bit (nearly 8 years) but i'm keen to keep learning so please continue, anything you want to pass on im happy to take it on board from a real coach. And im not being sarcastic. But please if you have time put the full story up...

I've worked in the fitness industry for a long time and I've seen many people lift more than that on a leg press, A leg press isn't a true reflection of strength.
However I don't think I've ever seen a guy Hoy's height and weight and drug free squat as much as him.
The leg press is the easy option and you can get good technique on it in a short time.

I also doubt anyone I've seen leg press that amount would have being doing anywhere near the training volume and variety of Hoy.

I've seen guys who where on roids 10 years ago leg press stupid amounts, Usually bouncing off their fat guts, Hands on their tightly wrapped knees which barely bend, Usually wearing a "Go heavy or go home" T-shirt.

warrior4life wrote:

I don't think I've ever seen a guy Hoy's height and weight and drug free squat as much as him.

How much have you seen him squat and how are you sure he is drug free? I suspect that there are other track sprinters out there capable of squatting more than him but I could be wrong.

Murr X