2024 Election thread
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I can only assume you've got a rather wider circle of 'friends' and haven't got everything else bolted down with adblockers and the like. Apart from the odd thing that creeps through on the phone browser, it's early all lovely stuff for me. I've never used the app on the phone, thanks to the advice of a pupil over 15 years ago.
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And I've just uninstalled Whatsapp, which I'd been asked to install for a youth music tour. I assume that Meta will scrape any data it can from the phone (and probably already has) via apps.
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I'm assuming that the response would be along the lines of, "It's not racist it's anti Islamic" and "it's not islamophobic because that implies it's irrational".
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I’ve mentioned before my mother in law is being radicalised by a distant relative, who’s very much into the EDL, Tommy Robinson etc
I occasionally sniff around the things he posts and reposts, mainly so I can give some context to my wife who increasingly has no idea what her mother is on about.
They’re openly Islamophobic in a way that makes those tweets look tame, and that’s not even the groups you need to apply to to get in.
It’s funny I did a course on British Fascism in the 20s&30s and it’s all linked to that. The memes they use are the same as the stories that were used 100 years ago. Nothing changes.
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Weren't a few candidates found to be Facebook friends with the former BNP guy who likes to cosplay as Mosley and the BUF?
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People are people. I'm not sure they charge that much over centuries let alone one lifetime.
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The Tories vote scattered to the wind.
Including a lot who just up and died rather than vote Tory
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
They didn't vote the Tories out based on policy, they were just sick of them
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
TBF that is the case every time Tories don't win.
The success of labour is a derivative of how unpopular the conservative party are. I think the electorate is fundamentally aligned with conservatism, in aggregate, and basically when people think they're shit they don't turn out to vote for them so you get a low turnout election with Labour winning, and when they think they're not shit you get a higher turnout and they win.
That's basically it.
Starmer's basic pitch was "we're not gonna scare you into voting for the shit party anyway, even though you hate them".
We probably got an extra 5 years of Tory shitedom because Labour continued with the Corbyn experiment, which really was an experiment in "how much can we scare you into voting for a f*cking idiot". Turns out, quite a lot.
If you actually look at the voting data, very very few people switched from Tory to labour. It was basically mainly Tory voters staying at home, with a decent proportion of angry voters switching to reform.
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And the 4% of people who think the Tories haven't gone wrong at all since 2019!
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Disappointed that the second chart doesn't have an "all of the above" option above "other".
Although the BJ question probably negates that to a large extent.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Don't quite understand the NHS one - what did voters expect? I mean, on crime, fair enough, you'd expect the Tories to be OK on that, and they were elected in part on an anti-immigration bill so I can see that rankles, but the NHS? Sice when did voters expect the Tories to do anything but harm that?
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That analysis is fine except for the two Blair landslides with decent turn out.
There have been been two multi term Tory governments I e paid attention to in my lifetime. They both ended up being mired in division and corruption by the end, and people were sick of them. Same happened with Labour in 2010.
It is just political gravity.
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Well they did promise an extra £350 million a week for the NHS
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They pinkie-promised to build 40 new hospitals. Remember that?
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https://www.statista.com/statistics/1050929/voter-turnout-in-the-uk/
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It was broadly consistent until 2001. And has since dropped about 10%.
Stop doing stats. You suck at them.
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Ah, so you’re comparing 97 with the future?
haha ok. Fill your boots if that’s how you want to do analysis.
It was historically low.
I look forward to all future analysis on this forum comparing stats with the future.
Don't remember the analysis of the time? "Labour win landslide on lowest voter turnout since before the war?"
You can probably track the trends and see that the turnout trend is correlated to how popular the Tories are if you want. It's quite easy in fact. Below trend? Labour do better. Above trend? Labour do worse.
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1997 was lower but very close to the range of previous elections.
Since then it's really sunk.
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Oh right, well if the headlines said that then it must be a statistically significant finding.
The summary is as follows:
In the UK's general election of 2024 voter turnout was estimated to have been 60 percent, the lowest turnout since 2001, when it was 59.4 percent. Between 1922 and 1997 voter turnout never fell below 70 percent, but in 2001 it dropped to just 59.4 percent. Since that low point, voter turnout has gradually recovered and reached 72.2 percent in the Brexit Referendum of 2016, which is still some way off the peak of 83.9 percent recorded in the 1950 General Election. The trend of low voter turnouts in recent times is also reflected in the European elections, which had its lowest voter turnout in 2014 at 42.61 percent.
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Presumably lower voter turnout in Europe also results in a Labour government in the UK?
Or does the hypothesis fall down if you actually think about it a bit?
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What trend?
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Is there a narcissist meme?
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That's not you, he's got hair 😉
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