2024 Election thread
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It’s a bit weird here in England having to listen to all the welshies and Scots.
they get incredibly soft rides from the main parties too.
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There's an NI leaders debate on 27th June.
It is weird that it gets ignored completely by the rest of us, especially given everything that's happened since the last election.
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I'm not sure it's weird. It's complex and confusing, and our national news basically follows Westminster, US elections and the occasional Welsh Assy or Scottish Parliament story if there's some juicy corruption.
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Yes, what have Wales and Scotland got to do with the UK after all.
#bubble
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They have their own channels. And anyway as per the discussion it’s GB not the UK.
GB can all vote for labour Tories or Lib Dem’s, Gb can’t all vote for the separatist parties.
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TBF what have the SNP done with their Westminster seats? Some virtue signalling about Gaza?
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As we all know, nothing that happens only in NI can have any relevance to the rest of us.
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I think you should brush up on your democracy. If you've not noticed the impact of the SNP depriving Labour of 40 odd seats, and the resulting Tory majorities, or of the relevance to the UK of Northern Ireland, I can't help you. Wales, I agree, is pointless.
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Plaid had more seats than the Greens……..and Reform.
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You know I wasn't being serious about Wales?
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It's more than if their function is just warm bums on seats, what is the point in having them on the TV debate?
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Wasn’t 100% sure, but it was an opportunity to have a dig at Reform 😁
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I don't understand your objection. Don't they have a legitimate viewpoint? Obviously I know more from the Scottish perspective and although I have no love for the SNP, what they can on occasion do that a group of back bench labour MPs couldn't do, is speak for part of the UK that are not affected by UK wide policy in the same way as, let's face it, London and the SE. So if you believe that the UK is the entire group of islands, and includes rural mountainous parts, NI, etc., then you should have no objection to hearing from people with perspectives from those places.
I've just been down to Bodmin in Cornwall, one of the most deprived towns in the region. All of the holiday traffic passes by, because apart from the landscape the place is a dump. The Cornish do not have a unique voice within the UK and there is a lot of resentment here about being ignored. I think they suffer for that in comparison to Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland. For that reason, I see those regional issues as being of relevance, even though they do not relate to my particular region.
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Feels like a fundamental misunderstanding of the system.
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There should be devolution in England for this reason.
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So who do we think came off best and who crashed & burned in last nights debate? Online opinions seem to vary quite a bit as expected.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
When you say it's GB not the UK I assume you are aware it's a UK election, for a UK parliament and the Government is the UK government?
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Farage unfortunately did best and Mourdant did worst, largely as she is trying to defend the indefensible.
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Easy to ignore until someone phones in a recognised code word🤣
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!1 -
Anyways. Literally going to the Commons today to see what the hell is going on over there.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
There is a pretty good argument that the UK would be more stable as a whole with a federal system, and that this would better reflect the whole country.
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The Lewis Goodall interview with the Reform candidate that is doing the rounds. Absolute gold.
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Genuinely, what is the point of listening to a separatist for whom I have absolutely no say over. Might as well pay attention to the EU election pitches.
SNP may have seats in Westminster but since they can only be voted on by Scotts, what’s the point of broadcasting them to the rest of GB?
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Re: Farage, if you look at totally dispassionately, probably came out best. I guess that when you have your own TV show a few nights a week for a few years that sort of thing comes pretty naturally. Not sure if Mordaunt was worst, but definitely not the best. Rayner got skewered on defence and funding their spending plans as expected and didn't seem to be able to think on her feet too well.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Farage won. Expectedly so. By a mile the best communicator in the group. The only mistep to brag he wasn't using an autocue for his closing comments. You don't tell people that. You just do it.
Mordant and Rayner cancelled each other out. Which both will be happy with.
Flynn was OK, but playing on easy mode.
The other 3 were forgettable and are forgotten
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Farage is just a natural at that style of debate and he absolutely loves it. It’s obvious.
The polls disagree with you on Rayner fyi.
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We aren't going to agree, because fundamentally, I don't see how you can be left leaning without giving a shit about anything that doesn't directly affect you.
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lol wanting to hear the pitch of a separatist that I can’t vote for or against is left wing now? lol ok.
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It’s not about directly affecting me. I cannot affect it.
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Flip it around. Are you interested in hearing how Labour might address the points raised by "sepratists" as you put it?(Although you might want to consider whether all regional parties fall into that category)? Are you interested in retaining those parts of the UK? Are you curious why those parties are gaining traction regionally, and in turn how policies designed for you might affect those parts of the UK?
Or, are you interested only in how policies affect you personally? If so, that's a perfectly valid outlook but I'd argue that's quite clearly more of a social conservative outlook. Frankly, I think that's where your politics are heading, based on how you present on here.
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