TDF 2023: Stage 14:- Annemasse to Morzine, 152km ***Spoilers***

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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Pross said:

    Mad_Malx said:

    Given how well he’s doing with no support, might actually have decent prospects at Movi.
    (I thought it’s Rodriguez heading there)

    He’d have to race his own teammates if he goes there. Ineos may be having a relative lean patch in GTs but if I was a genuine contender I’d rather be there than Movistar any day.

    If Rodriguez finishes on the podium in Paris, Ineos will have been on the podium of eight of the last ten Grand Tours (4th & 7th in the other two), with five different riders.
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  • roscoe
    roscoe Posts: 526
    Ineos really have to give Rodriguez a decent 5 year contract. Obviously got the talent and the racing nous, would be wasted at Movistar. Seriously wonder why they’ve not got him signed up already.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    RichN95. said:

    mrb123 said:

    Has Tom finished yet?

    8.40 down. 12th on the stage
    As if 12th was 8.40 down!
  • drhaggis
    drhaggis Posts: 1,150
    bobmcstuff said:

    RichN95. said:

    mrb123 said:

    Has Tom finished yet?

    8.40 down. 12th on the stage
    As if 12th was 8.40 down!
    Unbelievable as it looks, it's actually correct...
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    edited July 2023
    Rodriguez was flattered a bit by the fact the pair of them were track crafting each other up the mountain to.a virtual stand still

    He was good though ....made all the right moves
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Yeah. They let Rodriguez back in. You could see the time gap crumbling as they faffed about
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    mididoctors said:

    Rodriguez was flattered a bit by the fact the pair of them were track crafting each other up the mountain to.a virtual stand still

    He was good though ....made all the right moves

    He’s not at the level of the other two but I think he’s got potential. I suppose the question is whether he can be an attacking rider if necessary (seems odd to say that after a solo win but you know what I mean).
  • mrb123
    mrb123 Posts: 4,818
    Pross said:

    mididoctors said:

    Rodriguez was flattered a bit by the fact the pair of them were track crafting each other up the mountain to.a virtual stand still

    He was good though ....made all the right moves

    He’s not at the level of the other two but I think he’s got potential. I suppose the question is whether he can be an attacking rider if necessary (seems odd to say that after a solo win but you know what I mean).
    Can he TT?

  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,553
    mrb123 said:

    Pross said:

    mididoctors said:

    Rodriguez was flattered a bit by the fact the pair of them were track crafting each other up the mountain to.a virtual stand still

    He was good though ....made all the right moves

    He’s not at the level of the other two but I think he’s got potential. I suppose the question is whether he can be an attacking rider if necessary (seems odd to say that after a solo win but you know what I mean).
    Can he TT?

    He's not a specialist, but he's not bad. His best TT result was fourth, behind Evenepoel, Roglic and Cavagna in the Vuelta last year.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,698
    Unquestionably that was the most "cerebral" stage I've ever watched. We talk a lot about cycling being muti-dimensional chess on wheels but we're kidding ourselves that the majority of the time the killer move is "having better legs than anyone else" and actually we're just waiting to find out who that is.

    The constantly shifting tactics, momentum, winners and losers on that stage was like nothing I've seen before (Genuinely the only equivalent I can think of is PR 2016, but that was more like a slugfest rather than a brain workout).
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,164
    There was another gt stage where it got stopped because they ran out of medics. Trying to remember when it was.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,164
    kingstongraham said:

    There was another gt stage where it got stopped because they ran out of medics. Trying to remember when it was.

    Stage 3 2015 TDF. I thought I remembered it being in Belgium.
  • amrushton
    amrushton Posts: 1,312
    Not a done deal for Rodriguez to Movistar apparently
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    kingstongraham said:

    kingstongraham said:

    There was another gt stage where it got stopped because they ran out of medics. Trying to remember when it was.

    Stage 3 2015 TDF. I thought I remembered it being in Belgium.
    There was one where they got pepper-sprayed as well.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    tailwindhome said:

    WvA today


    Honestly I was beside myself when I saw that on the highlights
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    Pog attacked way to early with that big attack ....if he did that 2km to the top he would have held it
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    On the safety note motos are also one of the main causes of deaths in races and they also impact results; we definitely need fewer of them on the course.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    mididoctors said:

    Pog attacked way to early with that big attack ....if he did that 2km to the top he would have held it

    Yeah I didn’t get it. Attack over the top surely.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Wouldn’t be surprised if Bardet retires after that. All that risk for no gain anymore.
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    Was today the day cycling changed definitively.
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,698
    mididoctors said:

    Was today the day cycling changed definitively.

    Erm... it was good but I'm not sure it was a revolution. Change in what way..?
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    edited July 2023
    mididoctors said:

    Pog attacked way to early with that big attack ....if he did that 2km to the top he would have held it

    His attack that got blocked was badly timed as well. I think Vingegaard would have still got the bonus points

    When Pogacar ‘drops’ Vingegaard it seems to be on Vingegaard’s terms. Sort of ‘ you have your fun, I’m not going into the red, I’ll catch you later’
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  • jimmyjams
    jimmyjams Posts: 781
    rick_chasey said:

    mididoctors said:

    Pog attacked way to early with that big attack ....if he did that 2km to the top he would have held it

    Yeah I didn’t get it. Attack over the top surely.
    I don't think 'attack over the top' the best, unless you are a really good descender or with another rider who is (same team or a neutral). Also the final incline to the summit isn't that steep, so where a sudden acceleration (and then to carry on) could make a great deal of difference, especially since the road after first dipping near the lake then briefly goes up again, so the 'over the top' effect is briefly lost.

    Although having said that, the problem with mididoctors suggestion (Pogacar should have attacked 2 km out) is that between about 1.5 km out and 0.5 km out, the guy in front never really gets out of eyesight of the follower. So maybe for Pogacar to have left it to the last 500 m might have been better, the bends near the top and the spectators crowding in soon making him invisible to any follower.
  • daniel_b
    daniel_b Posts: 11,981
    mididoctors said:

    Pigs initial attack was from way to far out



    Sorry, that made me chuckle :D

    What a great stage, action aplenty, and still super tight at the top, and for the final podium place too.
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  • pblakeney
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    mididoctors said:

    Was today the day cycling changed definitively.

    Only if one fails to rise to the challenge of round 3.
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  • jimmyjams
    jimmyjams Posts: 781
    rick_chasey said:

    On the safety note motos are also one of the main causes of deaths in races and they also impact results; we definitely need fewer of them on the course.

    The two motorbikes which blocked Pogacar have been each fined 500 Swiss Francs (about 600 GBP) and forbidden to ride along tomorrow's stage.
    One motorbike belonged to a TV crew (I haven't heard which TV station) and the other to a photographer, so both had pillion passengers filming or taking pictures.

    You are correct, there should be far fewer motos, but I suppose they all contribute to the overall cost (as do the cars with celebrities and fashion models, also far too many).
    But surely it shouldn't be too difficult to create rules that non-official motos shouldn't ever be within a certain distance of (especially leading) riders.
    I don't like the idea of restrictions on spectators, but it seems on highly-race-relevant passes barriers may have to be introduced beyond what is now being used – if it is now the last 500 m, to last km+
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,104
    edited July 2023
    Pogacar did attack too far out but playing Devil's advocate slightly he didn't know what Vingegaard had left - if he cracks him and gets 40-50 seconds over the top we are all praising him for going early.

    Vingegaard actually looks a decent descender - not just keeping up with Pogacar but sitting so close to his wheel - I doubt Pogacar would have held any gap under 20 secondsish.
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,698
    The speed...

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  • jimmyjams
    jimmyjams Posts: 781
    DeVlaeminck said:

    Pogacar did attack too far out but playing Devil's advocate slightly he didn't know what Vingegaard had left - if he cracks him and gets 40-50 seconds over the top we are all praising him for going early.

    Vingegaard actually looks a decent descender - not just keeping up with Pogacar but sitting so close to his wheel - I doubt Pogacar would have held any gap under 20 secondsish.

    I'm not sure I agree - Pogacar isn't the best descender, so Vingegaard sticking to his wheel not the best. Also for most of the descent, 'because sitting so close',Vingegaard was far for safety.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,104
    It may not be wise I agree, but following that close takes some degree of confidence - I'm.not suggesting he's Mohoric or Savoldelli just he has the measure of Pogacar.
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