National Championships 2023 **SPOILERS**

red.rider
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ITTs started today, although the majority of them will take place tomorrow.

Josh Tarling (Ineos) smashed the GB field by over a minute to take the skinsuit. G was a non-starter.
Lizzie Holden won the women's race.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,644
    Check out the distance for the Lux women’s TT

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  • takethehighroad
    takethehighroad Posts: 6,810
    Tarling was saying on Watts Occuring that he was aiming for it.

    Had a WhatsApp group called "Operation White Shorts" apparently
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,535
    takethehighroad said:

    Tarling was saying on Watts Occuring that he was aiming for it.

    Had a WhatsApp group called "Operation White Shorts" apparently

    Does that explain why G and the Hayters didn't ride?

    Incidentally, he also said that he went for the elite instead of U23 because he didn't think it was fair he had support from Ineos while most U23 had very little
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  • bm5
    bm5 Posts: 559
    He has a point - Ineos had about 10 members of staff for each rider today!
    Felt sorry for Fred and Dan Bigham as they had long lonely waits to start ,(as so many pulled out).
    Fred was very magnanimous and said there was no way he could have got that minute back on the very flat course. He wished there had been a short climb. So another of his second places unfortunately.
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  • red.rider
    red.rider Posts: 1,188
    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    takethehighroad said:

    Tarling was saying on Watts Occuring that he was aiming for it.

    Had a WhatsApp group called "Operation White Shorts" apparently

    Does that explain why G and the Hayters didn't ride?
    G is still in Giro-recovery mode and then building for the worlds. E.Hayter broke his collarbone recently.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,535
    Oh I forgot Ethan's injury :( For some reason they were listed as DNS though
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  • imposter2.0
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    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    Oh I forgot Ethan's injury :( For some reason they were listed as DNS though

    Because they were originally on the start list, but withdrew.
  • imposter2.0
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    bm5 said:


    Fred was very magnanimous and said there was no way he could have got that minute back on the very flat course. He wished there had been a short climb.

    Josh can climb as well. So wouldn't necessarily have changed anything...

  • r0bh
    r0bh Posts: 2,382
    Filippo Ganna wins the Italian TT champs from Mattia Cattaneo and Matteo Sobrero
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,760
    Slovenia TT course is the same (uphill) course as 2020 when Pog (on road bike with normal helmet) beat Rog (full TT getup) by 8 seconds with nobody else anywhere. Is it odd to have a TT champs where you might choose not to use a TT bike?
  • N0bodyOfTheGoat
    N0bodyOfTheGoat Posts: 6,033
    edited June 2023
    Red Walters, one of the very talented local riders who is based just up the road from me in Hampshire, has retained his road and TT Grenada national titles won last year.
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    Enjoy his YouTube channel.
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  • imposter2.0
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    kingstongraham said:

    Is it odd to have a TT champs where you might choose not to use a TT bike?

    You probably know this already, but a time trial is about getting to the finish in the shortest possible time, not about which bike you ride.. ;)

  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,760
    imposter2.0 said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Is it odd to have a TT champs where you might choose not to use a TT bike?

    You probably know this already, but a time trial is about getting to the finish in the shortest possible time, not about which bike you ride.. ;)

    How unusual is it to have it as a hill climb? I can't see a Italy, France or Spain one any time recently where the average speed is 30kmh.

    It feels weird to have a TT champs that isn't a contest for the TT specialists.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,760
    edited June 2023
    Evenepoel goes into a ditch.

    Might still come second behind Van Aert. Top 5 anyway.
  • kingstongraham
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  • r0bh
    r0bh Posts: 2,382
    Kwiato wins the Polish TT jersey by less than a second from Maciej Bodnar
  • r0bh
    r0bh Posts: 2,382
    Another video of Evenepoel's ditch inspection

  • webboo
    webboo Posts: 6,087
    He’s not going to have a lot of skin left on his right palm.
  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,160


    Karma for the lid, I’d say
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,760
    edited June 2023
    Pogacar wins his national tt by 5 minutes.

    87 seconds faster than 2020.
  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,455
    kingstongraham said:

    Pogacar wins his national tt by 5 minutes.

    87 seconds faster than 2020.

    Wow.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,644
    Looks alright eh?

    Or just a better tailwind
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  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,455
    If it's exactly the same course, that is really impressive. Tailwind could be the culprit, that's definitely true.
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,535
    edited June 2023
    Asgreen takes the DK TT champs - his 4th.

    Also, M.u.f.f. and Wang both in the top 10, for any 14yr old boys / kindred spirits

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  • wakemalcolm
    wakemalcolm Posts: 825
    It's ok, when I was 14 I was too busy getting over the fact that Hank Pfister never seemed to get a mixed doubles partner.
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  • pblakeney
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    wakemalcolm said:

    It's ok, when I was 14 I was too busy getting over the fact that Hank Pfister never seemed to get a mixed doubles partner.

    :D
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  • pblakeney
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    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    Asgreen takes the DK TT champs - his 4th.

    Also, M.u.f.f. and Wang both in the top 10, for any 14yr old boys / kindred spirits
    ...

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  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,455
    I always expect Bjerg to do better.
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,535
    m.r.m. said:

    I always expect Bjerg to do better.

    The three u23 world champs wins in a row certainly suggest he should. I think he's maybe focused his training too much on being a good domestique to really hit the TT heights, but then again, he took his first pro TT win this year at last. He's just missing that last step up.
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