2023 Giro rest day 1

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  • wakemalcolm
    wakemalcolm Posts: 943
    rick_chasey said:

    Tashman said:

    Official Giro website still has Remco in pink. I guess he formally stays in it until he doesn't line up tomorrow?

    Yup
    I know a lot of pros prefer not to inherit a jersey through misfortune, but does that mean that there's nobody starting in pink tomorrow?
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  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,953
    Historically with a rider in the leader's jersey Sky/Ineos would revert to type and setup a train. I suspect Roglic would like that, so I wonder if they will use their numerical superiority to send riders up the road and make Roglic chase.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,496
    phreak said:

    Historically with a rider in the leader's jersey Sky/Ineos would revert to type and setup a train. I suspect Roglic would like that, so I wonder if they will use their numerical superiority to send riders up the road and make Roglic chase.

    A good and sound tactic. I'd imagine hard work and very difficult to implement.
    Winning a GT shouldn't be easy though.
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912
    andyp said:

    mididoctors said:

    rick_chasey said:

    What's the thinking behind those who with TGH will beat Thomas?

    If I'm honest I've barely seen TGH race so I don't really know him.

    l

    Better up hill presently

    TGH has also shown he can handle the final week of the Giro well, which counts for a lot I think.

    To be honest, I wouldn't like to call it, I think if Roglic, Thomas and TGH all remain healthy then it could be a very interesting, and tactical, race for the win.
    Tao was strong in the third the year he won

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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912
    pblakeney said:

    phreak said:

    Historically with a rider in the leader's jersey Sky/Ineos would revert to type and setup a train. I suspect Roglic would like that, so I wonder if they will use their numerical superiority to send riders up the road and make Roglic chase.

    A good and sound tactic. I'd imagine hard work and very difficult to implement.
    Winning a GT shouldn't be easy though.
    Roglic has to attack ASAP before ineos deploy there numbers . He needs to be ahead of any tactical shenanigans.. he may find help from Caruso who has to/may go long and blunt ineos by making them chase all day instead of sending whack a moles up the road

    Roglic needs to shoot first

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  • roscoe
    roscoe Posts: 532
    Roglic really has to take his chances when he can, Ineos have a strong team. Saying that, perhaps Rohan will start towing Rog round Italy like he did for Tao in 2020.
  • stage_hunter
    stage_hunter Posts: 325
    wakemalcolm said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Tashman said:

    Official Giro website still has Remco in pink. I guess he formally stays in it until he doesn't line up tomorrow?

    Yup
    I know a lot of pros prefer not to inherit a jersey through misfortune, but does that mean that there's nobody starting in pink tomorrow?
    I think, technically, Remco ‘won’ the pink jersey yesterday. He isnt out until he doesnt start on Tuesday so I think it is right that there is no-one racing the pink jersey tomorrow. Or maybe the white one
  • stage_hunter
    stage_hunter Posts: 325
    roscoe said:

    Roglic really has to take his chances when he can, Ineos have a strong team. Saying that, perhaps Rohan will start towing Rog round Italy like he did for Tao in 2020.

    I dont think Dennis is in that form
  • daniel_b
    daniel_b Posts: 12,042
    Not convinced Dennis is in particularly good form currently, or they are sandbagging for that exact purpose, being useful in the final two weeks.

    He was also a last minute call up.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    I think Dennis already has one foot in retirement
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    edited May 2023
    roscoe said:

    Roglic really has to take his chances when he can, Ineos have a strong team. Saying that, perhaps Rohan will start towing Rog round Italy like he did for Tao in 2020.


    I think the first priority for Roglic is not necessarily to attack, but to drop some of Ineos out of contention so he has fewer riders to mark. If he can lose one Bora and one UAE as well that's a bonus. Basically the old Sky tactic used against them
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  • blazing_saddles
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    Hopefully Ineos can work over Roglic in the same way that Jumbo worked over Pogacar at the Tour.
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  • secretsqirrel
    secretsqirrel Posts: 2,145
    stage_hunter said:

    wakemalcolm said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Tashman said:

    Official Giro website still has Remco in pink. I guess he formally stays in it until he doesn't line up tomorrow?

    Yup
    I know a lot of pros prefer not to inherit a jersey through misfortune, but does that mean that there's nobody starting in pink tomorrow?
    I think, technically, Remco ‘won’ the pink jersey yesterday. He isnt out until he doesnt start on Tuesday so I think it is right that there is no-one racing the pink jersey tomorrow. Or maybe the white one
    I believe the jersey is worn by the leader of the race which is now G. It isn’t won until the end of the race.
  • mrb123
    mrb123 Posts: 4,833
    It seems one of the Wanty riders has tested positive but has said he's continuing in the race.
  • stage_hunter
    stage_hunter Posts: 325
    secretsqirrel said:

    stage_hunter said:

    wakemalcolm said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Tashman said:

    Official Giro website still has Remco in pink. I guess he formally stays in it until he doesn't line up tomorrow?

    Yup
    I know a lot of pros prefer not to inherit a jersey through misfortune, but does that mean that there's nobody starting in pink tomorrow?
    I think, technically, Remco ‘won’ the pink jersey yesterday. He isnt out until he doesnt start on Tuesday so I think it is right that there is no-one racing the pink jersey tomorrow. Or maybe the white one
    I believe the jersey is worn by the leader of the race which is now G. It isn’t won until the end of the race.
    Last time this happened (Tony Martin) no one wore yellow.

    Time before that was when Rasmussen was thrown off the 2007 tour. Contador didnt wear yellow.

    Last time it happened in the Giro was 1999. Gotti wore pink the next day after Pantani left.

    So Giro precedent suggests Thomas will wear Pink. GT examples suggest opposite
  • JimD666
    JimD666 Posts: 2,293
    Kung not starting tomorrow either. Being rested before his next races if I'm using google translate properly*.

    *Actually said "being put to rest" which I thought was a bit harsh
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,576
    FDJ want him to ride the Tour, so he's quit the Giro now to prepare.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    Col de Grand Saint Bernard is OUT
  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,953
    kingstongraham said:

    Col de Grand Saint Bernard is OUT

    Que?
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,576
    phreak said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Col de Grand Saint Bernard is OUT

    Que?
    Still has a deep covering of snow.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,692
    kingstongraham said:

    Col de Grand Saint Bernard is OUT

    This should have been the Cima Coppi, no?

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  • No_Ta_Doctor
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    andyp said:

    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    I'm on team Geraint, despite being the second biggest Tao fanboy on the forum. Last summer he showed what he can do when in form - nobody else came close to being able to hang with Vingegaard and Pog - and he looks like he's coming into form now.

    How are we measuring the Tao fanboy classification?
    I believe @mididoctors is/was a Hackney CC rider, so he's got precedence. I only grew up in Stoke Newington, and left the country before Tao was 12 months old
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  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,953
    andyp said:

    phreak said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Col de Grand Saint Bernard is OUT

    Que?
    Still has a deep covering of snow.
    There's nothing on the Giro Twitter feed about route changes.
  • roscoe
    roscoe Posts: 532
    Mulling over the Covid issue at the Giro, it’s odd to me why cycling seems so badly affected. I can’t think of any other major sport that recently had players dropping out due to Covid.

    Football. Formula 1. Rugby etc

    Perhaps I just don’t take a close enough interest to notice.
  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,953
    https://www.astra.admin.ch/astra/fr/home/documentation/communiques-de-presse/anzeige-meldungen.msg-id-95133.html

    The official website of the transport office says that there will be road closures because of the race, not that the road will be closed and therefore no race.
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912
    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    andyp said:

    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    I'm on team Geraint, despite being the second biggest Tao fanboy on the forum. Last summer he showed what he can do when in form - nobody else came close to being able to hang with Vingegaard and Pog - and he looks like he's coming into form now.

    How are we measuring the Tao fanboy classification?
    I believe @mididoctors is/was a Hackney CC rider, so he's got precedence. I only grew up in Stoke Newington, and left the country before Tao was 12 months old
    I taught him everything he knows and he owes me everything....

    Kidding aside him and Alex used to complain we were riding too slow..they were 15-16 at the time

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  • chris_ne
    chris_ne Posts: 20
    phreak said:

    andyp said:

    phreak said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Col de Grand Saint Bernard is OUT

    Que?
    Still has a deep covering of snow.
    There's nothing on the Giro Twitter feed about route changes.
    There are plenty of sources on twitter saying they are going through the tunnel. We are forecast snow down to 1000m on Wednesday here in Austria, this is due to a low pressure system coming from Italy so I suspect they will have similar further West.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,719
    Touch of the van Vleutens about this. I may start watching now...
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  • daniel_b
    daniel_b Posts: 12,042
    mididoctors said:

    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    andyp said:

    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    I'm on team Geraint, despite being the second biggest Tao fanboy on the forum. Last summer he showed what he can do when in form - nobody else came close to being able to hang with Vingegaard and Pog - and he looks like he's coming into form now.

    How are we measuring the Tao fanboy classification?
    I believe @mididoctors is/was a Hackney CC rider, so he's got precedence. I only grew up in Stoke Newington, and left the country before Tao was 12 months old
    I taught him everything he knows and he owes me everything....

    Kidding aside him and Alex used to complain we were riding too slow..they were 15-16 at the time

    What great memories to have :-)

    Is that Alex, as in Peters?
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912
    edited May 2023
    daniel_b said:

    mididoctors said:

    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    andyp said:

    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    I'm on team Geraint, despite being the second biggest Tao fanboy on the forum. Last summer he showed what he can do when in form - nobody else came close to being able to hang with Vingegaard and Pog - and he looks like he's coming into form now.

    How are we measuring the Tao fanboy classification?
    I believe @mididoctors is/was a Hackney CC rider, so he's got precedence. I only grew up in Stoke Newington, and left the country before Tao was 12 months old
    I taught him everything he knows and he owes me everything....

    Kidding aside him and Alex used to complain we were riding too slow..they were 15-16 at the time

    What great memories to have :-)

    Is that Alex, as in Peters?
    Yeah

    There was another lad Clem who I reckon could have gone pro but went to uni instead ... Saw him hold 700 watts for a frighteningly long time

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