'Ouses, Greenbelt and stuff
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This shows some ambition. Hope it works out for the locality…
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The two in Exeter are very desirable. I'd guess that most of those buying are either very good at overlooking/not worrying about their previous use, or are blissfully unaware. I think I'd struggle a little bit, to be honest.
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There are two near me. Netherne on the Hill is a whole village that has incorporated some of the buildings of the former Netherne Hospital/Surrey County Asylum. At Cane Hill only the chapel and water tower have been kept and everything else is new-build.
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One in my home town too. Very nicely done on the conversion plus the grounds were used for new builds. There’s also another that was once a Georgian country house but was latterly used as a psychiatric home. I was very tempted by one of the outbuilding conversions a year or so back but decided it was a bit too small and was a bit put off by the shared grounds and facilities with their service charges. The location was superb though, half an hour walk into the town centre and a bit longer to the train station but you could step out of the back garden into the Black Mountains.
I think that building at the end of the M32 is another example isn’t it?
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There is a difference between a 'can't be done' attitude and setting clearly unrealistic targets, especially when they are going to foist the unpopular decisions onto local councils. Its likely that these will not be met, so Labour are either being disingenuous or don't have a good enough grasp of the situation. Or both.
I am also slightly cynical about Rayners aims and whether she is trying to get as much built as possible in these nasty tory shires, rather than prioritising urban brownfield sites which is what I think should be top of the list.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Urban Brownfield sites are already the priority. Local authorities are spposed to maintain a register of suitable sites and they should be classed as having 'permission in principle'. Gove was introducing a plan to force a presumption in favour of Brownfield sites where Councils were falling below expected levels, I'm not sure if Labour are keeping this but would assume so but Brownfield isn't a silver bullet. This article covers some of the issues https://www.localgovernmentlawyer.co.uk/planning/318-planning-features/56577-the-brownfield-presumption-problem-solved#:~:text=Brownfield%20challenges,housebuilding%20drops%20below%20expected%20levels.
In addition, Brownfield (or previously developed land as it is properly termed) can be located in the Greenbelt. People have visions of it being former industrial sites that are demolished to make way for new housing and it often is but it can also be something that appears to be rural and 'greenfield' as the buildings have long been demolished. People also continuously conflate Greenfield and Green Belt. You can have Greenfield sites that aren't in the Green Belt and likewise not everything in the Green Belt is Greenfield.
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There is one next to Wandsworth Common, although it's tucked away behind a row of tower blocks.
It also has a nice French restaurant/gastropub in it and last time I went they were preparing for a beer festival in the courtyard so we got a free sample of a few beers. It was a bit of a hidden gem I lived a couple of miles away for years and never knew it was there.
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There's no foisting. Councils have always made the local decisions. They need to have the support of central government, which they now have with the updated NPPF, such that challenges can be effectively fought. That's a significant change from a policy of unenforced (and unsupported) targets and latterly no targets at all.
Not sure there's such a thing as Tory shires any more - maybe a few isolated pockets. Brownfield already is prioritised and has been for years. It doesn't really seem like you are familiar with the planning system or the way the legislation works, so rather bold to be making claims about the likelihood of success 5 years out.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Way to say "You're talking shite." without saying "You're talking shite.". 😂😅😂
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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Not really houses, but it's building shit - why is there no obligation of people doing works on the road or pavement, aka digging the road up, to leave it in the same state they found it?
I appreciate it would add some cost, but it wrecks anything that's build that's nice, to the point that it's not worth having anything nice to begin with, like this:
Furthermore, the work is usually so shoddily done that 2 years later, the pavement is usually a hazardous walk as it's so full of dips and cracks. Compound that over many years with lots of work and it's a nightmare. I've gone over on my ankle and fallen multiple times now when walking to and from the station in the dark, just because you need to really pay attention to where you put your foot on the pavement. It's ridiculous.
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You really are an unfortunate individual. Last time I fell on a pavement was circa 1982 while running to catch a bus.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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If you look at the narrow pavement on the left here: https://maps.app.goo.gl/D3Ji3uZRU5Zx3wc89 you can see they've dug up the pavement and filled it in badly and either side of the repair there are big gaps. If you're not looking you can put half your foot in the gap and that then rolls the ankle.
The camera doesn't quite show how uneven it is or how deep they are, but they're probably at least an inch lower than the rest of the pavement if not more.
Same here: https://maps.app.goo.gl/zkgtzYKg5DFRiwTK6
You can't really see for the parked cars but it's the same here too: https://maps.app.goo.gl/KhnQfYvxboLqZ1tt6
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Foisting as imposing unreaslistic targets and having the ability to force councils to take action or step in if needed.
If you look at a map the Tory shires take up a fair bit of space. I live in one myself and very nice it is too.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You need to explain why it's unrealistic. For reference the previous government's target was broadly similar with a pledge of 300,000 a year by the mid-2020s. The major difference is that they did not make the changes to the NPPF to facilitate this and by the end of the parliament were actively working against their own manifesto pledge. Those changes are now being made. The new calculation method gives some adjustments to the target for each region as some exceeded their previous target and others fell short. That sounds more realistic to me.
Have a guess who first proposed the idea of presumption in favour of development if councils don't meet their targets 😉
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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There is an obligation that's covered by the New Roads and Streetworks Act. That will be a temporary reinstatement, the Undertaker is obliged to replace the original finish in the permanent solution. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/606f1ee2e90e076f56e46dfc/specification-for-the-reinstatement-of-openings-in-highways-fourth-edition.pdf
Not sure how you survive going abroad, most European countries I've been to are far less bothered about that sort of thing than the UK. When I was in Menorca 20 years ago I saw someone fall down a manhole cover that had been removed and partial covered over by some wood!
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Does the word temporary in that context have the same meaning as for pothole repairs, or do they need a permanent solution within 5 years?
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It's up to the Council has Streetworks Authority to ensure that the utility company gets it done to specification and it is then under warranty for 12 months. Unfortunately, as with every other public service, Council resources have been cut back and a lot probably never get inspected.
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See the link I posted upthread where various bosses of housebuilding companies said that Labour had a snowballs' chance in hell of meeting their target for this parliament.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Still ignoring why they said that is Steveo?
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I don't know what you mean.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
From your Torygraph link
"A diminished pipeline of existing planning approvals means Labour is predestined to fail in delivering its key manifesto pledge this parliament, according to developers."
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That would seem to be a fixable problem seeing as the reduction in approvals is directly attributable to the previous lack of enforcement and then suspension of housing targets.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Here's some slightly less agenda-driven information on what was causing the drop in housebuilding.
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Does that change the prediction that they will fail? That was the point I was making.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I expect they probably will fail to meet the target, I think every government for decades has failed to meet their target. Hopefully they can push things in the right direction from a difficult starting position.
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Obviously. The thing the couple of people quoted are complaining about is the exact thing that is being addressed.
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Nob in my back yard.
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I'm disappointed to discover that being a nimby is much harder than people say.
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The Housing Minister actually sounded serious and seemed to understand the issues with the system this morning. Let’s hope it isn’t more talk that Government drifts away from when it isn’t popular. I still don’t see the 1.5 million target being anything close to achievable unfortunately. We might get the planning convents if enough is invested in giving Councils the resources needed but I don’t see how they are going to get built with the available labour and materials. It could create massive industry inflation again.
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