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It's just time we're talking about though. I bet already if nothing else the background monitoring has already saved thousands of lives as it is.morstar said:
I’m on the side of thinking it will happen. I don’t agree the tech is anything like mature enough though.focuszing723 said:Level 3 is known as conditional driving automation. It uses various driver assistance systems and artificial intelligence to make decisions based on changing driving situations around the vehicle. People inside the vehicle do not need to supervise the technology, which means they can engage in other activities.
There should literally be millions of vehicles globally gathering data on actions and outcomes before the AI’s can have enough variables to programme them effectively to be consistently better than humans in most cases.
That simply isn’t the case.
Software development is iterative. Make it work within modest parameters that you can perceive. Learn where it fails and fix the bugs. Even mature tech drops massive clangers. Autonomous driving tech is advanced but it’s not at all mature.0 -
Yeah, ummmm.rjsterry said:FZ, you should read up on the history of railway safety. There are a few good books on the subject but tl;dr, it's as Pinno describes. An iterative series of people saying such and such will never happen, then it happens and everyone realises that of course trains need X to operate safely.
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Think if it as reading the early history of the hyperloop if that helpsfocuszing723 said:
Yeah, ummmm.rjsterry said:FZ, you should read up on the history of railway safety. There are a few good books on the subject but tl;dr, it's as Pinno describes. An iterative series of people saying such and such will never happen, then it happens and everyone realises that of course trains need X to operate safely.
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Have you seen the video of the tesla loop at Las Vegas?0
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It's like a really inefficient tube, but extra unsafe as there's no obvious regular fire exits or safety tunnels in parallel.kingstongraham said:Have you seen the video of the tesla loop at Las Vegas?
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Part of a road safety conference I went to was a seminar on autonomous cars and one of the speakers was a psychologist talking about the ethical sideof things if a collision is imminent. Humans tend to err towards self-preservation rather than decisions that would have the minimal overall impact. As an example, that we've probably all seen as cyclists, a driver overtakes a bike and finds themselves struggling to get back in with another car oncoming so pulls back in on the cyclist. The algorithms in the car might still calculate that's the better option as it would be one potential casualty (cyclist) or two (both drivers) but have a different decision if the car was overtaking a group of cyclists. On the other hand a driver might make a decision to avoid a collision with a parent pushing a baby who steps into the road by swerving and hitting other people whereas an algorithm wouldn't discriminate. It was quite an interesting subject but from memory not very well presented meaning I switched off a bit.
An ex-colleague of mine now works for National Highways where her entire role is looking at adapting the trunk road network for autonomous vehicles. My own feeling is that fully autonomous is still decades away but that we'll see a gradual move to "driver assistance".
Level 1 autonomy is already pretty common and I think we'll stall for quite a while at Level 2 at most. For me levels 2-4 (possibly less so level 4) are actually the highest risk areas as there's an element of ambiguity of whether the human or vehicle are in control but the infrastructure will have to adapt gradually as autonomy gets phased in.0 -
It's an embarrassment is what it is.rick_chasey said:
It's like a really inefficient tube, but extra unsafe as there's no obvious regular fire exits or safety tunnels in parallel.kingstongraham said:Have you seen the video of the tesla loop at Las Vegas?
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The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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admittedly its all just random numbers on a bit of paper but mad stuff..
The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Does he have a patreon?0
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Actually, that's twitter blue, isn't it?kingstongraham said:Does he have a patreon?
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On a scale of 1 to 10 in terms of agnosticism towards greatness. This thread scores very high.
The thing is, you all wouldn't be able to do what you are doing now without greatness and the evolution of technology.
Like I keep saying, you'd be stuck in a cave p1ss1n about with wicker $h1t.
Please, stop using the Internet if you're apposed to greatness. Praise the greatness which has afforded you this liberty.0 -
Which of these things did Musk invent?focuszing723 said:
On a scale of 1 to 10 in terms of agnosticism towards greatness. This thread scores very high.
The thing is, you all wouldn't be able to do what you are doing now without greatness and the evolution of technology.
Like I keep saying, you'd be stuck in a cave p1ss1n about with wicker $h1t.
Please, stop using the Internet if you're apposed to greatness. Praise the greatness which has afforded you this liberty.
His latest couple of things are a less safe tube train with a driver for every three passengers, and a worse version of twitter.
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I'd expect autonomous cars to be a thing in the next 10 years fwiw.
At some point they will be proven to make fewer mistakes than drivers, but I doubt we will get that level of trust while Hawkeye in cricket still relies on the umpire's call.0 -
They are already saving accidents/lives now as a backup when Humans are being incompetent for many reasons.kingstongraham said:I'd expect autonomous cars to be a thing in the next 10 years fwiw.
At some point they will be proven to make fewer mistakes than drivers, but I doubt we will get that level of trust while Hawkeye in cricket still relies on the umpire's call.0 -
No they aren't. There's no autonomous vehicle on the UK roads that detects when a driver has had a heart attack and drives them straight to hospital (and waits outside with them).focuszing723 said:
They are already saving accidents/lives now as a backup when Humans are being incompetent for many reasons.kingstongraham said:I'd expect autonomous cars to be a thing in the next 10 years fwiw.
At some point they will be proven to make fewer mistakes than drivers, but I doubt we will get that level of trust while Hawkeye in cricket still relies on the umpire's call.
There's driver assistance technologies, obviously.0 -
And there are some driverless taxis and driverless vehicles being tested in a few places in America.0
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Musk's whole bit isn't inventing anything new.
It's getting existing technology and securing a boatload of financing and investment to make it commercially viable.
He's a walking case for the value of R&D, rather than some mad scientist.0 -
kingstongraham said:
And there are some driverless taxis and driverless vehicles being tested in a few places in America.
They are trying one in my part of France too, but I have to admit that I've not seen one in action, so no idea if it's died a death.
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rick_chasey said:
Musk's whole bit isn't inventing anything new.
It's getting existing technology and securing a boatload of financing and investment to make it commercially viable.
He's a walking case for the value of R&D, rather than some mad scientist.
Where would Apple be without Steve Jobs?
You've just wasted time and you shouldn't be allowed to used anything technologically base, let alone the Internet.
Again, where do you think all this greatness come from?
Also, you forget Musk wrote/helped write the code for Zip2, so it's not as though he's just a people pusher.
He's slept on the shop floor. He isn't a King in his castle CEO.
Praise the greatness. If not, stop using the Interent.
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The majority of you shouldn't be using anything more evolved than this.
That's at a push too.0 -
Actually, all you should be using is your feet.0
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So your argument is that unless you acknowledge the greatness of this particular circus ringmaster, you shouldn't be allowed to use a lot of technology he had nothing to do with?focuszing723 said:
You've just wasted time and you shouldn't be allowed to used anything technologically base, let alone the Internet.
It doesn't seem a very balanced approach.0 -
Yes.kingstongraham said:
So your argument is that unless you acknowledge the greatness of this particular circus ringmaster, you shouldn't be allowed to use a lot of technology he had nothing to do with?focuszing723 said:
You've just wasted time and you shouldn't be allowed to used anything technologically base, let alone the Internet.
It doesn't seem a very balanced approach.
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Because you aren't in charge.focuszing723 said:
Yes.kingstongraham said:
So your argument is that unless you acknowledge the greatness of this particular circus ringmaster, you shouldn't be allowed to use a lot of technology he had nothing to do with?focuszing723 said:
You've just wasted time and you shouldn't be allowed to used anything technologically base, let alone the Internet.
It doesn't seem a very balanced approach.
Why are you still typing?
Why are you? You didn't invent the internet.0 -
Then I saw his face, now I'm a believer
Not a trace of doubt in my mind
I'm in love
I'm a believer, I couldn't leave him if I tried0 -
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The Monkees?briantrumpet said:I'm just trying to work out if it's an act or genuine.
Started out as an act, turned genuine.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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It certainly has comedic value.briantrumpet said:I'm just trying to work out if it's an act or genuine.
I'm entertained and I haven't even stirred it up.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Too much self awareness to be a real muskovite.briantrumpet said:I'm just trying to work out if it's an act or genuine.
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