Roglic

mididoctors

I have it down as roglics fault

gweeds

Meh - Roglic had the entire road to choose from and instead he chose that line. Fighting for the overall he shouldn't have been putting himself in this sort of danger. Wright was ahead and couldn't move right. Racing incident caused by a tired GC rider who has enough experience to have erred on the side of caution looking at the overall.

I have a lot of time for him, but JV are wrong on this one. This was a conversation they should have had behind closed doors. By issuing this statement in the first place they've opened themselves and Wright up for grief. Don't use social media for this unless you're prepared for blowback. That's the nature of the game there. Don't like it? Don't use it.

mididoctors

He was looking for a time bonus too hard

focuszing723

I haven't seen so much chaos since "The Jump"

DeadCalm

Mohorič coming down firmly on the side of his teammate vs his countryman.

"There is nothing to say, it is very, very clear that Primož deviated from his line. He didn't check over his shoulder to see if anyone was there."

“We know that Primož crashes a lot and this is not the first time this happened.”

daniel_b

I'm not a big fan of his riding style/tactics, but I did have a lot of respect for him as a rider and a competitor.

For me though this is absolute lunacy, and I hope has not impacted Wright too much.
You could definitely excuse his stance IF it was straight after the incident, OR at the post race interviews (And then latterly he apologised), but to go away, presumably calm down, watch the footage and then come out with this is literally mind blowing.
And no one in JV saw fit to mention it to him, or are they driving it?
Maybe they are looking to reduce his appeal to other teams

Wright did very well to stay upright, and not get fired into the barriers - at that speed he could well have ended up with some breakages.
Wright is also being VERY gracious in my mind to class it as a 'racing incident' when the bloke basically veered into him without looking, and it could have ended his season as well.

Amateur manoeuvre, caused by tiredness, whatever you want to call it - it shouldn't be happening in any professional race, on that count I do agree with Roglic.

There were rumours of possible transfers, but after this little episode, and being 33 next month, I suspect he has just lowered his market value somewhat.

The Team have also not covered themselves in glory backing him up as they have, I wonder how many of the JV riders are feeling somewhat uneasy about that stance.

ddraver

daniel_b said:

and I hope has not impacted Wright too much.

Tbf the general derision and laughter it's been received with must be quite a comfort for young Freddy...

No one of any consequence has given it even a modicum of credibility.

Pross

ddraver said:

daniel_b said:

and I hope has not impacted Wright too much.

Tbf the general derision and laughter it's been received with must be quite a comfort for young Freddy...

No one of any consequence has given it even a modicum of credibility.

But there was that guy on Twitter who showed how his wheel veered sharply to the left!

daniel_b

Pross said:

ddraver said:

daniel_b said:

and I hope has not impacted Wright too much.

Tbf the general derision and laughter it's been received with must be quite a comfort for young Freddy...

No one of any consequence has given it even a modicum of credibility.

But there was that guy on Twitter who showed how his wheel veered sharply to the left!

Yeh funny that, almost like he was sprinting

morstar

I'm glad that wherever I have read about this, i have yet to read anybody first hand defend Roglic on this.

RichN95.

morstar said:

I'm glad that wherever I have read about this, i have yet to read anybody first hand defend Roglic on this.

I did. I have no idea who's fault it was (and neither does anyone else really), but if that's Roglic's opinion and he feels strongly about it he should be allowed to say it. I want to hear rider's true opinions not trite platitudes.

m.r.m.

You are wrong on your first point. No one is arguing the second.

kingstongraham

RichN95. said:

morstar said:

I'm glad that wherever I have read about this, i have yet to read anybody first hand defend Roglic on this.

I did. I have no idea who's fault it was (and neither does anyone else really), but if that's Roglic's opinion and he feels strongly about it he should be allowed to say it. I want to hear rider's true opinions not trite platitudes.

If it was Wright's fault, sprinting is dead.

Lead out man just has to tuck back in behind the guy he's just launched, and everyone else has to brake to prevent an accident.

RichN95.

m.r.m. said:

You are wrong on your first point. No one is arguing the second.

No, you really don't know what happened. There is very little that shows anything of consequence. All it does is confirm your biases.

As for no-one arguing the second point, I've seen plenty of people call Roglic a disgrace etc. for having an opinion, many of them journalists.

blazing_saddles

morstar said:

I'm glad that wherever I have read about this, i have yet to read anybody first hand defend Roglic on this.

In that case allow me to point you in the direction of the usual source for lunacy and alternative theory: The Cyclingnews forum.

If you follow this link, you can read 20 pages.....yes 20 pages of total wtf wonderment.
(I must stress it's mostly sensible posters trying to reason with a handful of fruitcakes.)

https://forum.cyclingnews.com/threads/everybody-needs-a-little-bit-of-roglstomp-in-their-lives.30528/page-313

blazing_saddles

RichN95. said:

morstar said:

I'm glad that wherever I have read about this, i have yet to read anybody first hand defend Roglic on this.

I did. I have no idea who's fault it was (and neither does anyone else really), but if that's Roglic's opinion and he feels strongly about it he should be allowed to say it. I want to hear rider's true opinions not trite platitudes.

Aside the fact that Roglic crossed from one side of the road to the other, I don't know why you feel the need to apportion blame to either party.

RichN95.

blazing_saddles said:

Aside the fact that Roglic crossed from one side of the road to the other, I don't know why you feel the need to apportion blame to either party.

I not trying to apportion blame. I am specifically stating that I don't know. But I like to hear the honest perspectives of those involved.

m.r.m.

RichN95. said:

m.r.m. said:

You are wrong on your first point. No one is arguing the second.

No, you really don't know what happened. There is very little that shows anything of consequence. All it does is confirm your biases.

As for no-one arguing the second point, I've seen plenty of people call Roglic a disgrace etc. for having an opinion, many of them journalists.

1. If you can't make a decision based on the regular race footage on GCN+ and the addition of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GEi7xFY0Qw I honestly don't know if you aren't just married to your contrarian take.
2. Roglic's statement is a disgrace (Though I think such language is rather harsh for the entire issue). It's entirely without merit and casts the blame with the weight of a superstar of the sport on a young rider who is completely innocent of any wrong doing (see exhibit 1). JV not moderating with some sense here adds to the "disgracefulness" of the whole spectacle. However if there is is something to be called a disgrace, it's is what he said, not his right to say it or who said it.

RichN95.

You can't tell anything from that. When the incident originally happened people thought Roglic had hit something in the road.

Roglic is clearly angry and people who are angry should be able speak out. But I guess you would rail against anyone saying anything that breaks out of the bland.

Question: if the rider had been Gianni Moscon rather than Fred Wright, what do you think the reaction would have been the same?

m.r.m.

What are you talking about? I'm not railing against Roglic in any way. I like Roglic as a rider much more than Wright. I don't think about Wright at all.

Just because someone is angry, that hardly justifies them in saying whatever nonsense they like. It may be understandable and excusable in the heat of the moment, but hardly a day or days later. That is also where mediation from the team would be required.

I don't care about the reaction or fighting some media war. I'm only talking about what actually happened in the race. It's completely clear from the footage available. I find it very hard to believe you genuinely can't make up your mind from the viewing the footage. Pretty much no one else seems to have your difficulty.
If Wright had been Moscon, I'd personally have the very same take. Same would apply if you swap Roglic for MvdP or Pogacar or the Pope.

m.r.m.

RichN95. said:

You can't tell anything from that

This is genuinely ludicrous. 🙄

RichN95.

It's funny how when the incident happened and for some time afterwards no-one had a clue what had happened. But once Roglic opened his mouth a couple of days later everyone knew exactly what had happened armed with their own Zapruder films.

m.r.m. said:

Pretty much no one else seems to have your difficulty.

That's because they are on social media and don't have the strength to say 'I don't know' or 'you can't tell from that'. How often do you see that?

pblakeney

RichN95. said:

It's funny how when the incident happened and for some time afterwards no-one had a clue what had happened...

Nonsense. Everyone said Roglic had went too far into the red and crashed. It really is as simple as that. It was obvious at the time, it was commented on at the time.

m.r.m.

Exactly how @pblakeney states it is how I saw it in the moment as well.

(Why are we/you only discussing social media here? This is us and our forum discussing the races. This isn't the Twitter forum. Who cares what they say. I come here to discuss cycling. I don't even have Twitter)

pblakeney

Go into the thread if you wish to see the consensus. Apologies to Blazing for dragging him into this, as an example, just after they crossed the line......

blazing_saddles said:

Oh dear, Roglic has come out and totally blamed Fred Wright for causing him to crash.

Fair play to Robbie McEwen. In typical Aussie fashion he’s responded by saying that Roglic totally caused Roglic’s crash and the he should STFU.

RichN95.

Go into the thread if you wish to see the consensus. Apologies to Blazing for dragging him into this, as an example, just after they crossed the line......

blazing_saddles said:

Oh dear, Roglic has come out and totally blamed Fred Wright for causing him to crash.

Fair play to Robbie McEwen. In typical Aussie fashion he’s responded by saying that Roglic totally caused Roglic’s crash and the he should STFU.

Which thread? There' nothing on the stage thread. Like I said no-one knew what had happened until Roglic said anything. Your excerpt seems to postdate Roglic's comments.

pblakeney

RichN95. said:

Go into the thread if you wish to see the consensus. Apologies to Blazing for dragging him into this, as an example, just after they crossed the line......

blazing_saddles said:

Oh dear, Roglic has come out and totally blamed Fred Wright for causing him to crash.

Fair play to Robbie McEwen. In typical Aussie fashion he’s responded by saying that Roglic totally caused Roglic’s crash and the he should STFU.

Which thread? There' nothing on the stage thread. Like I said no-one knew what had happened until Roglic said anything. Your excerpt seems to postdate Roglic's comments.


You got me on a search fail, dammit!
Anyway, try this for size then. (Apologies to Pross).

Pross said:

Looks really dazed, probably came as a bit of a shock. It was entirely his own fault, suspect he'd gone so far into the red he wasn't very aware of what was happening.

Pross

RichN95. said:

It's funny how when the incident happened and for some time afterwards no-one had a clue what had happened. But once Roglic opened his mouth a couple of days later everyone knew exactly what had happened armed with their own Zapruder films.

m.r.m. said:

Pretty much no one else seems to have your difficulty.

That's because they are on social media and don't have the strength to say 'I don't know' or 'you can't tell from that'. How often do you see that?

There’s a difference between not knowing the exact detail and being able to see that Wright did nothing wrong. I think everyone knew there’d been contact with Wright from the first replay, it was just unclear what the contact was (catching bars, touching wheels etc.). The footage is clear that 4 riders are riding one line and another is riding a different line before moving to join the others.

If it was Wright’s fault what did he do that he shouldn’t have and could have avoided? No-one I heard was trying to blame anyone until Roglic himself decided to do so. I think most tended to think he made an error and the only person it affected was himself.

kingstongraham

Perhaps it's a good thing that Roglic prompted people to look at it in a bit more detail rather than a crash like that being "just one of those things" or "a racing incident". Before he said it, noone was looking too closely or trying to find other footage.

Like he said, "The crash was not caused by a bad road or a lack of safety but by a rider's behaviour."

daniel_b

kingstongraham said:

Perhaps it's a good thing that Roglic prompted people to look at it in a bit more detail rather than a crash like that being "just one of those things" or "a racing incident". Before he said it, noone was looking too closely or trying to find other footage.

Like he said, "The crash was not caused by a bad road or a lack of safety but by a rider's behaviour."

Good shout, had he kept quiet it would have been forgotten about very quickly and no one would have been interested in seeing the videos and pictures from different angles, but by doing this he has shone a mahoosive light on his poor riding at the end of the stage.