Who is the greatest British (male) road cyclist?
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Much better to lose with "panache" than to win boringly.jdee84 said:
No he was able to wheel suck day after day and then sprint for some bonus seconds as boring a tour win as he is an intervieweeredvision said:
So he was not only able to keep up with Tom D's pace but was able to outpace him at the finish. You've just completely proven my point, in that tour G was the strongest rider.jdee84 said:
That's actually bollocks he sat on Dumoulin up every mountain pass and then sprinted to the line in the last couple hundred metres.redvision said:
Nonsense. He won the tour because he was the best rider in that tour.jdee84 said:Obviously this could be done for anyone almost, but the only reason Thomas has a TDF win rather than 1 2nd place and 2 3rd place is that Froome and Dumoulin went to the 2018 Giro rather than just doing the tour.
Tbh I think G would have won more if he wasn't so fond of crashing!
I would actually question wiggins win more than G's. If froome hadn't respected team orders I think he may well have taken the yellow.1 -
wallace_and_gromit said:
Much better to lose with "panache" than to win boringly.
No-one who wins things says that.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Name me one TDF winner in the recent past, who hasn't sat on the wheel of either a teammate or another rider for the majority of the race!jdee84 said:
No he was able to wheel suck day after day and then sprint for some bonus seconds as boring a tour win as he is an intervieweeredvision said:
So he was not only able to keep up with Tom D's pace but was able to outpace him at the finish. You've just completely proven my point, in that tour G was the strongest rider.jdee84 said:
That's actually bollocks he sat on Dumoulin up every mountain pass and then sprinted to the line in the last couple hundred metres.redvision said:
Nonsense. He won the tour because he was the best rider in that tour.jdee84 said:Obviously this could be done for anyone almost, but the only reason Thomas has a TDF win rather than 1 2nd place and 2 3rd place is that Froome and Dumoulin went to the 2018 Giro rather than just doing the tour.
Tbh I think G would have won more if he wasn't so fond of crashing!
I would actually question wiggins win more than G's. If froome hadn't respected team orders I think he may well have taken the yellow.
It's tactics. If Tom D was the strongest rider he would have dropped G.1 -
Sorry. I was being ironic. Rule 70 applies at all times other than post-Tour crits.RichN95. said:wallace_and_gromit said:
Much better to lose with "panache" than to win boringly.
No-one who wins things says that.0 -
My principle point which was glossed over was that dumoulin had raced a tough giro 5 weeks previously so was understandably tired and most likely not at full strength.redvision said:
Name me one TDF winner in the recent past, who hasn't sat on the wheel of either a teammate or another rider for the majority of the race!jdee84 said:
No he was able to wheel suck day after day and then sprint for some bonus seconds as boring a tour win as he is an intervieweeredvision said:
So he was not only able to keep up with Tom D's pace but was able to outpace him at the finish. You've just completely proven my point, in that tour G was the strongest rider.jdee84 said:
That's actually bollocks he sat on Dumoulin up every mountain pass and then sprinted to the line in the last couple hundred metres.redvision said:
Nonsense. He won the tour because he was the best rider in that tour.jdee84 said:Obviously this could be done for anyone almost, but the only reason Thomas has a TDF win rather than 1 2nd place and 2 3rd place is that Froome and Dumoulin went to the 2018 Giro rather than just doing the tour.
Tbh I think G would have won more if he wasn't so fond of crashing!
I would actually question wiggins win more than G's. If froome hadn't respected team orders I think he may well have taken the yellow.
It's tactics. If Tom D was the strongest rider he would have dropped G.0 -
So Thomas was stronger than him in the Tour then? Sounds like you're arguing for the sake of arguing.jdee84 said:
My principle point which was glossed over was that dumoulin had raced a tough giro 5 weeks previously so was understandably tired and most likely not at full strength.redvision said:
Name me one TDF winner in the recent past, who hasn't sat on the wheel of either a teammate or another rider for the majority of the race!jdee84 said:
No he was able to wheel suck day after day and then sprint for some bonus seconds as boring a tour win as he is an intervieweeredvision said:
So he was not only able to keep up with Tom D's pace but was able to outpace him at the finish. You've just completely proven my point, in that tour G was the strongest rider.jdee84 said:
That's actually bollocks he sat on Dumoulin up every mountain pass and then sprinted to the line in the last couple hundred metres.redvision said:
Nonsense. He won the tour because he was the best rider in that tour.jdee84 said:Obviously this could be done for anyone almost, but the only reason Thomas has a TDF win rather than 1 2nd place and 2 3rd place is that Froome and Dumoulin went to the 2018 Giro rather than just doing the tour.
Tbh I think G would have won more if he wasn't so fond of crashing!
I would actually question wiggins win more than G's. If froome hadn't respected team orders I think he may well have taken the yellow.
It's tactics. If Tom D was the strongest rider he would have dropped G.1 -
For me, and I don't think this has been mentioned yet, Cav just shaves it for his longevity at the highest level in road racing.
Although it could be argued that GC riders have a shorter window in which to shine,
Cav has been winning WT races since 2007 and GT stages since 2008 (2 in Giro and 4 in TdF) and he's not finished yet...... that's at least 15 years of winning at the highest level.Scott Foil RC
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At least a few of those years he was finished and should have retired though.bianchi_dave said:For me, and I don't think this has been mentioned yet, Cav just shaves it for his longevity at the highest level in road racing.
Although it could be argued that GC riders have a shorter window in which to shine,
Cav has been winning WT races since 2007 and GT stages since 2008 (2 in Giro and 4 in TdF) and he's not finished yet...... that's at least 15 years of winning at the highest level.2 -
I cannot stand results adjustments, especially years after the fact.RichN95. said:rick_chasey said:Results adjustments? eh?
Armstrong's DQ in 2009 Tour, I assume. I think Wiggins was officially upgraded to 3rd, but I'm never sure.
I sat and watched it and Wiggins was not on the podium. Surely he stays 4th with no one at third?1 -
I struggle with Scarponi winning the 2011 Giro and Froome winning the Vueltarick_chasey said:
I cannot stand results adjustments, especially years after the fact.RichN95. said:rick_chasey said:Results adjustments? eh?
Armstrong's DQ in 2009 Tour, I assume. I think Wiggins was officially upgraded to 3rd, but I'm never sure.
I sat and watched it and Wiggins was not on the podium. Surely he stays 4th with no one at third?0 -
Not wanting to take anything away from Wiggins here. He rode a good race and Armstrong was a cheat - it just does my head in. In this context it was a 4th place ride, surely? Not least as he now guest appears on The Move.0
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But that 3rd/4th place is surely equal to Thomas' 3rd (a long way back) this year.rick_chasey said:Not wanting to take anything away from Wiggins here. He rode a good race and Armstrong was a cheat - it just does my head in. In this context it was a 4th place ride, surely? Not least as he now guest appears on The Move.
2019 was an abomination of a result because of the stage they cancelled but still took time on, and that's maybe the one you can bring in to say Thomas has a slightly better record in grands tours GC.0
