Giro 2022 - Stage 21: Verona – Verona 17.4 km ITT ***Spoilers***
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Stage Top 10, Sobrero by a distance
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Well he didn't fall off . Macarthy did a decent tt"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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Final GC Top 10
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What was the gap between Hindley and Carapaz in the TT..?
Errors for Ineos (with the Oakley hindsights on), 1)Not putting more time into him on Blockhaus and 2) the circuit stage where I'm now even more convinced he counted the number of hills wrong and attacked one too early...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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7s in the end in Carapaz's favourddraver said:What was the gap between Hindley and Carapaz in the TT..?
Errors for Ineos (with the Oakley hindsights on), 1)Not putting more time into him on Blockhaus and 2) the circuit stage where I'm now even more convinced he counted the number of hills wrong and attacked one too early...1 -
So Ineos with their best rider cannot even beat a field of B-level riders. Ineos is in big trouble really as they will not win a grand tour this year now.
The big guys like Pogacar, Roglic, Van Aerts, and so on ... were not racing in the Giro d'Italia so it should have been an easy win for Ineos.
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Oh look, the troll is back.4
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Is 28 his IQ.0
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Bilbao did a super zubeldia there"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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I had it less than 30 secsddraver said:What was the gap between Hindley and Carapaz in the TT..?
Errors for Ineos (with the Oakley hindsights on), 1)Not putting more time into him on Blockhaus and 2) the circuit stage where I'm now even more convinced he counted the number of hills wrong and attacked one too early..."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
That low!thejimmymethod said:
7s in the end in Carapaz's favourddraver said:What was the gap between Hindley and Carapaz in the TT..?
Errors for Ineos (with the Oakley hindsights on), 1)Not putting more time into him on Blockhaus and 2) the circuit stage where I'm now even more convinced he counted the number of hills wrong and attacked one too early..."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Arensman could do something on GC in the future"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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Hang on, Ineos have got a triathlete in their team so surely he must be their best rider?zest28 said:So Ineos with their best rider cannot even beat a field of B-level riders. Ineos is in big trouble really as they will not win a grand tour this year now.
The big guys like Pogacar, Roglic, Van Aerts, and so on ... were not racing in the Giro d'Italia so it should have been an easy win for Ineos.0 -
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I've heard two different versions; Tull-et, and Tule-let. And he's been around forever, but is only 20. And he's that rarity; a double Junior World CX Champion.....last person to do that was some Dutch guy called Van der Poel......don't know what happened to him.All Road/ Gravel: tbcWinter: tbcMTB: tbcRoad: tbc"Look at the time...." "he's fallen like an old lady on a cruise ship..."0
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I sure hope his future is not with a team that... "cannot even beat a field of B-level riders" and are in "big trouble"mididoctors said:Arensman could do something on GC in the future
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It does seem like they need a tactical rethink. They have a load of riders who are top 10 material, but it seems like they primarily use them to drive the pace on the front, which means they tend to burn out half way up a climb. In this best case this leaves the team leader with the team leaders of the main rivals, and in the worst case it leaves the team leader with leaders from quite a few other teams.hanshotfirst said:
I sure hope his future is not with a team that... "cannot even beat a field of B-level riders" and are in "big trouble"mididoctors said:Arensman could do something on GC in the future
Often in the Giro they'd burn up Porte and Sivakov and the likes of Nibali and Pozzo would still be there, which seems a bit of a waste. I'd have thought the point of having top 10 type riders would be to do some attacking and get the leaders of the other teams to chase. After all, when Carapaz et al did attack they usually dropped the likes of Nibali and Pozzo reasonably quickly.
They don't seem likely to beat Rog and Pog if their leader is left one on one with them after all the domestiques have burned out.0 -
Sending riders down the road just isn't the ineos thing is itphreak said:
It does seem like they need a tactical rethink. They have a load of riders who are top 10 material, but it seems like they primarily use them to drive the pace on the front, which means they tend to burn out half way up a climb. In this best case this leaves the team leader with the team leaders of the main rivals, and in the worst case it leaves the team leader with leaders from quite a few other teams.hanshotfirst said:
I sure hope his future is not with a team that... "cannot even beat a field of B-level riders" and are in "big trouble"mididoctors said:Arensman could do something on GC in the future
Often in the Giro they'd burn up Porte and Sivakov and the likes of Nibali and Pozzo would still be there, which seems a bit of a waste. I'd have thought the point of having top 10 type riders would be to do some attacking and get the leaders of the other teams to chase. After all, when Carapaz et al did attack they usually dropped the likes of Nibali and Pozzo reasonably quickly.
They don't seem likely to beat Rog and Pog if their leader is left one on one with them after all the domestiques have burned out."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
It is a flawed tactic as I pointed out a few years ago all the competition have to do is sit on the back of the train and attack at the end. Rog & Pog have proven this. Jai too now.phreak said:
Often in the Giro they'd burn up Porte and Sivakov and the likes of Nibali and Pozzo would still be there, which seems a bit of a waste. I'd have thought the point of having top 10 type riders would be to do some attacking and get the leaders of the other teams to chase. After all, when Carapaz et al did attack they usually dropped the likes of Nibali and Pozzo reasonably quickly.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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It seems a long time ago, but in truth it is just eighteen months, since Ineos seemed to herald in a new era of tactics when they won the Giro (and six stages) with an attacking style.
They've adopted a similar approach in the spring classics this year, so let's hope they do something similar at the Tour where they are not going to have an individual who can challenge Pogacar (or Roglic either) in a head to head race.1 -
It just feels like they haven't really used their resources well. Someone like Sivakov has broadly comparable results in week long races as Hindley, yet he was always burned out quite a way from the finish of each climb. Porte has had a better record than many in one week races over the past year or so and was also largely unable to be there beyond the likes of Nibali and Pozzo.andyp said:It seems a long time ago, but in truth it is just eighteen months, since Ineos seemed to herald in a new era of tactics when they won the Giro (and six stages) with an attacking style.
They've adopted a similar approach in the spring classics this year, so let's hope they do something similar at the Tour where they are not going to have an individual who can challenge Pogacar (or Roglic either) in a head to head race.0 -
Kamna was crucialpblakeney said:
It is a flawed tactic as I pointed out a few years ago all the competition have to do is sit on the back of the train and attack at the end. Rog & Pog have proven this. Jai too now.phreak said:
Often in the Giro they'd burn up Porte and Sivakov and the likes of Nibali and Pozzo would still be there, which seems a bit of a waste. I'd have thought the point of having top 10 type riders would be to do some attacking and get the leaders of the other teams to chase. After all, when Carapaz et al did attack they usually dropped the likes of Nibali and Pozzo reasonably quickly."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
I'm not sure how crucial. Carapaz would still have cracked and Hindley would still have been stronger. Hindley being that much stronger than Carapaz with 5km to go was the crucial bit. Having that short stretch where he wasn't in the wind definitely helped a bit though.mididoctors said:
Kamna was crucialpblakeney said:
It is a flawed tactic as I pointed out a few years ago all the competition have to do is sit on the back of the train and attack at the end. Rog & Pog have proven this. Jai too now.phreak said:
Often in the Giro they'd burn up Porte and Sivakov and the likes of Nibali and Pozzo would still be there, which seems a bit of a waste. I'd have thought the point of having top 10 type riders would be to do some attacking and get the leaders of the other teams to chase. After all, when Carapaz et al did attack they usually dropped the likes of Nibali and Pozzo reasonably quickly.0 -
Bit hyperbolic guess . But the fact remains it worked fantastically. ..kingstongraham said:
I'm not sure how crucial. Carapaz would still have cracked and Hindley would still have been stronger. Hindley being that much stronger than Carapaz with 5km to go was the crucial bit. Having that short stretch where he wasn't in the wind definitely helped a bit though.mididoctors said:
Kamna was crucialpblakeney said:
It is a flawed tactic as I pointed out a few years ago all the competition have to do is sit on the back of the train and attack at the end. Rog & Pog have proven this. Jai too now.phreak said:
Often in the Giro they'd burn up Porte and Sivakov and the likes of Nibali and Pozzo would still be there, which seems a bit of a waste. I'd have thought the point of having top 10 type riders would be to do some attacking and get the leaders of the other teams to chase. After all, when Carapaz et al did attack they usually dropped the likes of Nibali and Pozzo reasonably quickly.
Sending riders up the road rarely works but it's spectacular when it does . The problem with trident / quad leader teams it only makes sense to push them forward early in GT but then early in a GT the GC is close and multiple teams will shut it down .. dual leaders has merit ... It's possible to keep your guys up on GC . Geriant won in part because froome was marked in the finale on the first few MTFs . Sastres win was a trident . I can't think of any other"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
As KG said, he undoubtably helped (especially with the mind games) but Carapaz cracked when Hindley launched. I think Carapaz made the mistake of thinking it was going to be the other way round.mididoctors said:
Kamna was crucialpblakeney said:
It is a flawed tactic as I pointed out a few years ago all the competition have to do is sit on the back of the train and attack at the end. Rog & Pog have proven this. Jai too now.phreak said:
Often in the Giro they'd burn up Porte and Sivakov and the likes of Nibali and Pozzo would still be there, which seems a bit of a waste. I'd have thought the point of having top 10 type riders would be to do some attacking and get the leaders of the other teams to chase. After all, when Carapaz et al did attack they usually dropped the likes of Nibali and Pozzo reasonably quickly.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0
