The Hell of the North 2022 ***Spoilers***

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  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,497
    ddraver said:

    Were we really saying this guy has no chance of winning this morning..?

    They told him to go piano piano round the bend but he didn't listen.
    Even though I don't speak much Italian, sounded like a better feed than snatch err, Hatch.

    Aside no. 1: DvB - what a classy looking ride from him today.
    Aside no. 2: Gilbert - Legend. So sad he's at the end of his career.
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,692
    Rolf Sørensen got pretty freaked by Ganna today. "reminds me of Moser" and "he'll win this one day"
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  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    ddraver said:

    Taking one for the team...

    mididoctors said:

    There was a lot of impact punctures ... Especially Front tubeless tyres becoming unseated?

    I struggle to see how tubeless tyres are any worse in that respect. I don't think I've ever burped a front wheel on the MTB.

    Front punctures are a bit of a mystery really...
    30/35mm tubeless tyres smashing off cobbles for long periods of time doesn’t seem to be a good idea. Cuts and punctures fine, but I bet they go back to tubs for the pave next year.

  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593
    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    Rolf Sørensen got pretty freaked by Ganna today. "reminds me of Moser" and "he'll win this one day"

    That sector where he was chasing back after his puncture was incredible. He possibly put too much into it, especially as the group's ultimately came back together, but it was as good a ride on cobbles as I can recall.
  • roscoe
    roscoe Posts: 532
    Pross said:

    mididoctors said:

    blazing_saddles said:

    Ineos's dominance is boring..................................

    Fair play to them tbh .. they are winning races without having the top tier favourites. Oddly there GT challenges are likely to falter this year with pog and Rog out muscling everyone else
    I don't think it is a coincidence. It feels like they know they are outsiders for the GTs at present and have switched focus.

    It was noticeable how the impetus went out of the first big group once Ineos had a few issues. As someone else said, the only fair winners today would have been Mohoric or an Ineos rider.

    Thought it was one of the best editions I've seen today. Never quite sure until the last 10k what would happen and wasn't a case of favourites marking each other out of it.
    Interesting interview with DS Roger Hammond on the Cycling Podcast Arrivee show. He was saying they know they may not have the best riders so have to come up with something else, something unexpected.

    No coincidence that he has been the DS in charge for the last 2 Paris Roubaix victories.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,108
    Just watched it (did a 17 mile walk in the Peak yesterday and couldn't stay awake to watch it in the evening).

    Good edition - just needed a sprint for the win but you can't have it all.

    Van Baarle looked like the strongest to me - maybe Mohoric.

    Think Lampaert is being a bit unfair to the spectator - 50:50 incident - the guy is not on the road after all.

    What happened to Ganna in the end just ran out of gas?

    Was surprised nobody went with the Mohoric/Lampaert attack and then let VanBaarle ride off in pursuit both looked dangerous in the moment.
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  • mrb123
    mrb123 Posts: 4,833
    Ganna was in the top 40 of the finishers - suspect he may have come in in that big group.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,486
    DeVlaeminck said:



    What happened to Ganna in the end just ran out of gas?

    I was wondering the same then watched his effort to get back after a puncture.
    I assume he burnt too many matches with that effort but happy to be told otherwise.
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  • RichN95.
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,692
    Ganna had two punctures and had to chase back alone both times. He looked absolutely incredible doing it, but must have cooked himself in the end
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    edited April 2022
    mrb123 said:

    Ganna was in the top 40 of the finishers - suspect he may have come in in that big group.

    He did.
    Right at the back though, because he sat up and didn’t contest the sprint.

    I think we have just witnessed the best Flanders/Roubaix double header for many a year.
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  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,108
    The thing that surprised me yesterday was the amount of punctures. If they are mostly on tubeless tyres I thought that was supposed to eliminate pinch flats and that sealant was meant to seal the majority of normal punctures.

    Anyone have any theories about what went wrong?
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  • gethinceri
    gethinceri Posts: 1,677
    Yes, the air fell out
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,692
    DeVlaeminck said:

    The thing that surprised me yesterday was the amount of punctures. If they are mostly on tubeless tyres I thought that was supposed to eliminate pinch flats and that sealant was meant to seal the majority of normal punctures.

    Anyone have any theories about what went wrong?

    Lasse Norman Hansen was asked this by DK TV yesterday, he said he thought a lot of teams had been experimenting with even lower pressure than normal for P-R.
    I was wondering if the very dry conditions influence it though - either making it easier to pick up bits of flint or, more likely, making riding the verge more attractive.
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  • andyrac
    andyrac Posts: 1,205
    One guesses that the teams are still new to this technology, and aren't sure what does, and doesn't work. I'd guess they're probably running too low pressures for 30-32mm tyres. And I wonder how many teams were running foam inserts, if any?
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  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,108
    andyrac said:

    One guesses that the teams are still new to this technology, and aren't sure what does, and doesn't work. I'd guess they're probably running too low pressures for 30-32mm tyres. And I wonder how many teams were running foam inserts, if any?

    I read that at least one were planning on using foam inserts and another were experimenting with them - there may be more just what I came across.

    What would the issues be of running too low pressure - burping on rough cobbles and losing even more pressure? There's a pic of (I think - not certain) WvAs bike with a CO2 inflator attached to the bottle cage - whether that was just for a reccy rather than the race though I don't know - I can't imagine him using it mid race.

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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912
    It was the fastest PR ever so I guess the tech can't all be bad
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    mididoctors said:

    It was the fastest PR ever so I guess the tech can't all be bad

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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,459
    Reverse angle on the accident

    Note smooth path blocked by barriers until just before the corner

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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,459
    Van Baarle one of those winners you wouldn't necessarily pick before hand, but makes a lot of sense in the post mortem
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,717
    We must remember that Ineos did this in the last edition too and, depending on your point of view, only bad luck or karma stopped Moscon winning!
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,717
    edited April 2022
    Turns out Museeuw is a Must-Follow on the gram...

    https://www.instagram.com/tv/CcgSmDnDCrj/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited April 2022
    ddraver said:

    Turns out Museeuw is a Must-Follow on the gram...

    https://www.instagram.com/tv/CcgSmDnDCrj/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

    Go look for the interview where he describes leading solo over the Kapelmuur in the ToF as almost literally “orgasmic”
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  • davidof
    davidof Posts: 3,127
    DeVlaeminck said:



    Think Lampaert is being a bit unfair to the spectator - 50:50 incident - the guy is not on the road after all.

    He was on the tarmac in front of where the other spectators were standing. I think he was pretty idiotic tbh.

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  • andyrac
    andyrac Posts: 1,205
    tailwindhome said:

    Reverse angle on the accident

    Note smooth path blocked by barriers until just before the corner

    There's a white line - I'd say spectators shouldn't cross it. However, I don't know how you'd implement it.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,227
    edited April 2022
    Lampaert rode straight at him.

  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,486
    It’s a fairly simple basic principle. Don’t stand on the road during a road race.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    pblakeney said:

    It’s a fairly simple basic principle. Don’t stand on the road during a road race.


    Yep. If there's some grass or a raised level available then stand on it.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,227
    pblakeney said:

    It’s a fairly simple basic principle. Don’t stand on the road during a road race.

    Don't ride off the road during a road race.
  • Tashman
    Tashman Posts: 3,497
    I've got mixed feelings on this as he seemed to veer quite suddenly to get off the cobbles. If the spectator wasn't a cycling regular (I don't know either way) they might have been expecting the riders to remain on the cobbles in a race that advertises the cobbles as being its primary feature. I don't se this as comparable with the Tour incident at all

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