2022 Pre Season Chat Thread

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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    It's been a few years since Ineos were *cutting edge*. They're a big budget team with top riders, but I think the days where they're beating the rivals in all aspects of cycling are over and they're *just* a team with top (but not *the* top) riders.
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,722
    Whatever Dennis’s reasoning is, it’s quite obvious how Jumbo see his role: as Tony Martin’s replacement.
    He’ll be expected to pull the yellow train along those hundreds of flat and rolling kilometres. He won’t be contributing much in the mountains.
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  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,473
    edited January 2022
    Then again he was decent in the mountains at times at the Giro, was he not?

    He is the most frustrating type of athlete. When he is at his best he is utterly incredible, but he is never consistent and mostly a headache. Like Gareth Bale or many others. Incredibly talented, immensely capable, but too volatile to ever build around. It's 50-50 which Dennis you're going to get on any given day.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,252
    m.r.m. said:


    He is the most frustrating type of athlete. When he is at his best he is utterly incredible, but he is never consistent and mostly a headache. Like Gareth Bale or many others. Incredibly talented, immensely capable, but too volatile to ever build around. It's 50-50 which Dennis you're going to get on any given day.


    It may turn out that Ineos knew how to deal with him and Jumbo don't. Ultimately, it had to be difficult for him, as a primarily TT specialist, to be on the same team as Ganna. Mentally he probably needs to think he is getting an edge over him somehow, even if he's not.
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  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,473
    Sounds plausible. However, sometimes it seems certain people just have a tendency to burn every bridge when departing to different pastures.
    PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 2023
  • roscoe
    roscoe Posts: 526
    RichN95. said:

    m.r.m. said:


    He is the most frustrating type of athlete. When he is at his best he is utterly incredible, but he is never consistent and mostly a headache. Like Gareth Bale or many others. Incredibly talented, immensely capable, but too volatile to ever build around. It's 50-50 which Dennis you're going to get on any given day.


    It may turn out that Ineos knew how to deal with him and Jumbo don't. Ultimately, it had to be difficult for him, as a primarily TT specialist, to be on the same team as Ganna. Mentally he probably needs to think he is getting an edge over him somehow, even if he's not.
    Ineos don’t tend to get it wrong when they let people go
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Can anyone see past WvA for MSR this year?
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,691
    rick_chasey said:

    Can anyone see past WvA for MSR this year?

    Erm, well, only is so far that him being that much of a favourite makes it more likely someone else will pull a flyer or wheelsuck to 200m
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,877
    rick_chasey said:

    Can anyone see past WvA for MSR this year?

    Favourite rarely wins.
  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,473
    I think WVA will be utterly dominant in the spring. He has done what I would have liked to see from MvdP. He has committed to the road and I think he will start reaping the rewards in the next 3 years.

    MSR is more of a lottery. He will need 1 good domestique who can survive the Poggio to win consistently there.
    PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 2023
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,544
    Everyone seems to forget how Caleb Ewen rode last year. If he's in that form again, then he'll be hard to drop and he's got a faster sprint than pretty much anyone else.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    andyp said:

    Everyone seems to forget how Caleb Ewen rode last year. If he's in that form again, then he'll be hard to drop and he's got a faster sprint than pretty much anyone else.

    Less forgetting and more hoping it doesn’t happen again 😬😬
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,646
    It's Phil Gil's year, I tell yer. The 5 will be complete.
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,430
    Nibali

    Is

    Doing

    Paris-Roubaix!!!
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  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    No thread for Aussie nationals?
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,691
    Didnt think Ritchie was riding Willunga this year...

    ;)
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    - @ddraver
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,722
    shirley_basso said:

    No thread for Aussie nationals?

    They are available to watch on demand via GCN/Eurosport player. 11km Laps around Geelong. Some WT riders were there, some were not.
    That's about all folks need to know.

    Perhaps best not to mention results in case anybody intends to watch.
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  • hanshotfirst
    hanshotfirst Posts: 400
    rick_chasey said:

    Can anyone see past WvA for MSR this year?

    After Strade Bianche last year I told anyone who would listen that I couldn't see past Van der Poel winning MSR, Flanders and Roubaix. I was tempted to put a bet on it. They all scoffed at me and quite right too tbh. You need more than form to win those bad boys.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,461
    rick_chasey said:

    Can anyone see past WvA for MSR this year?

    Isn't this the year when Remco wins everything?
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Can anyone see past WvA for MSR this year?

    Isn't this the year when Remco wins everything?
    Bora - hansgrohe have the new Remco, according to the Cycling Podcast peeps.
    Cian Uijtdebroeks. Doubt he'll be doing MSR et al this year though.

  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Can anyone see past WvA for MSR this year?

    Isn't this the year when Remco wins everything?
    I happen to have missed all his great rides and seen his average ones.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,461
    rick_chasey said:



    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Can anyone see past WvA for MSR this year?

    Isn't this the year when Remco wins everything?
    I happen to have missed all his great rides and seen his average ones.
    I saw San Sebastian, he certainly looked the part that day.
  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,951
    MSR seldom goes to the strongest rider it seems, as typified by the fact that you have to go back to Oscar Freire in 2010 to find someone who won the race more than once.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,430
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,691
    Bad day for Ineos...



    :(
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    - @ddraver
  • stage_hunter
    stage_hunter Posts: 314
    Other reports suggesting injuries not that bad.

    Broken knee cap is horrific, femur is not great for a cyclist either. Dont think we will see much of him this year if true
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Ugh is it me or is this happening more often than it used to?
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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,544
    Sounds way more serious than first reports:

  • gweeds
    gweeds Posts: 2,613
    Doesn’t sound good

    https://cyclingtips.com/2022/01/egan-bernal-collides-with-parked-bus-while-training/

    “ Bernal has been evaluated by a team of interdisciplinary specialists and will require surgery in the coming hours due to multiple traumas, the statement reads. Those traumas include: “cervical and thoracic trauma, closed chest trauma, muscle trauma, skeletal and lower limb trauma.” Bernal is currently stable”
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  • carbonclem
    carbonclem Posts: 1,783
    Poor Egan :(
    Terrible luck for Ineos after Froome too.
    2020/2021/2022 Metric Century Challenge Winner

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